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Title: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: MarkMardon754 on April 27, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
I like to collect chemical elements, especially exotic/weird ones.
I bought a sample of Tungsten from AliExpress, the dealer said it was 99.95% pure.

- It's a small rod, measuring roughly 4.5-5cm in length and weighing 76g. (pretty heavy for its size).
- The rod does not stick to magnets but moves if a magnet is passed quickly over it.


But is Wolfram supposed to leave a metallic iron-like smell on your skin when touched?

I'll also leave a photo of the sample.
Title: Re: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: Borek on April 27, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Simplest thing you can do is to measure it as precisely as you can, weight it as precisely as you can, and check how the density compares to that of the W.
Title: Re: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: MarkMardon754 on April 27, 2017, 08:35:24 PM
Simplest thing you can do is to measure it as precisely as you can, weight it as precisely as you can, and check how the density compares to that of the W.

I have calculated the cylinder's density, it's 19.35g/cm3. So, it really is W.
Title: Re: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: Borek on April 28, 2017, 03:17:57 AM
I have calculated the cylinder's density, it's 19.35g/cm3. So, it really is W.

That's hardly a definitive test, but there are not many metals with that high density (and most of them are much more expensive), so you are probably right.

The best technique for a sure determination of the composition I can think of in the case of your sample would be an arc spectroscopy, but that requires quite expensive hardware.
Title: Re: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: Corribus on April 28, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Aside from all that, I would recommend you don't handle your samples without gloves, as finger oils leave residues that can tarnish or otherwise blemish many elements.
Title: Re: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: MarkMardon754 on April 28, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
What about the metallic smell on my hands if I handle the sample? Is near-pure Tungsten supposed to do that?
Also, i read that W has a Mohs hardness of 7.5, but i was able to scratch the sample using a quartz crystal (7.0 Mohs Scale), how is this possible?
Title: Re: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: Enthalpy on April 28, 2017, 05:57:35 PM
How accurate was the density determination? At RT, the litterature gives 19250kg/m3, not 19350. A micrometer would be accurate enough to make the difference.

If you access a Geiger counter, you can distinguish tungsten from cheaper depleted uranium. The resistance to corrosive mediums would differ a lot too.
Title: Re: Chemical Element Collection - Is this really pure tungsten?
Post by: MarkMardon754 on April 28, 2017, 08:27:29 PM
Sorry, i don't know how accurate the density measurement was... I just measured the rod's height and radius using a ruler, its mass using a kitchen scale, and used an online calculator to do the more complex math.

I also saw many pages stating tungsten's density as 19.35g/cm3. Higher than that of Uranium. One of these pages even rounded the density to 19.4g/cm3.

I'm pretty sure this is tungsten... It's just weird that it makes my fingers smell like iron...