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Title: Acidity rankings and aldol condensation practice: Have I done this right?
Post by: thescepticalchymist on April 17, 2018, 12:14:00 PM
My professor gave us this sheet (https://i.imgur.com/SAbPCX5.jpg) to work on yesterday. 

I'm pretty confident about my ranking of the acidity of the compounds, and I think I'm right about the aldol condensation mechanism -- please correct me if there are mistakes! 

On the other hand, I'm not sure where to start with #2.  It looks like an aldol cyclization, since the product has the alkene and the C=O in conjugation, but I am not 100% sure about what the starting material or the mechanism would be.  I at least know that the starting material is going to be a chain containing two enolizable carbonyl groups, but I need to know the correct answer because my prof. is definitely going to quiz us on this next class.
Title: Re: Acidity rankings and aldol condensation practice: Have I done this right?
Post by: pgk on April 17, 2018, 01:00:58 PM
1). If you have acidic conditions, you don’t need the base B:, erase it immediately, because it is a serious mistake. Just continue by drawing an acidic dehydration and that’s all.
2). Try a retro-synthesis and go back:
2-Cyclohexenone ←  3-hydroxy-cyclohexanone ← ? (= a six member aliphatic aldehyde containing a ketone group at the end.)
3). Ignore the methoxide catalysis for the moment. But for your own and further information, this reaction involves a cyclization step that has a higher activation energy and therefore, strong catalysis is needed. On the other hand, strong basic conditions avoid the simultaneous double aldolization of a ketone by an aldehyde, contrary to strong acidic conditions that favor it.
Title: Re: Acidity rankings and aldol condensation practice: Have I done this right?
Post by: crawlingmcedge on April 18, 2018, 05:21:42 AM
I'll assume that you know what an elimination reaction is. What functional groups can be eliminated to turn to alkenes? Where would that functional group be placed in on that ring?