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Title: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 02:41:03 PM
Could someone teach me how to write the balanced equation for this question?

How many g of silver chloride will be produced by reacting 10g of silver nitrate with sodium chloride?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 02:44:45 PM
Write formulas of all substances mentioned. Which are reactants and should be present on the left? Which are products and should be present on the right? Is there something left?

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=balancing-stoichiometry&right=balancing-reactions
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 02:48:02 PM
What, do I just write, "AgNO3 + NaCl -> AgCl ??"
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 02:58:10 PM
Almost OK - but check that some elements are not present on the right (like Na).
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 04:00:51 PM
How does it appear on the right side?  Do I just put Na over there?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 04:13:44 PM
Look at ions present - there is one other (complex) ion that is not present on the right.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: sdekivit on July 31, 2006, 04:16:26 PM
You add AgNO3 to NaCl. In solution they will by hydrated and the following ions are formed:

Ag+, NO3-, Na+, Cl-

Since AgCl is formed, what ions will form the second salt in this displacement reaction ?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
I'm a chemistry noob, I know, but tell me, how am I supposed to know that they'll be hydrated, and what the ions are?

Is it NaNO3?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: sdekivit on July 31, 2006, 04:30:52 PM
yes it's NaNO3 :)

About the ions: learn them :) it's the only way.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 04:36:37 PM
Well, I just guessed that. 

You said it was a salt so I looked up something on wikipedia and I saw NaNO3...

Can you tell me how knowing the ions will help me learn to write these equations?  And where can I find a list or something of these ions?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 04:41:25 PM
tell me, how am I supposed to know that they'll be hydrated

All ions in water solutions are hydrated. And you are supposed to know such things - you are studying chemistry, aren't you? ;) But it is not relevant for this question.

Can you tell me how knowing the ions will help me learn to write these equations?  And where can I find a list or something of these ions?

I don't think there is such thing as a list of ions - but you should be probably able to find simple rules that describe how to find their charges.

How they will help you? You know AgCl precipitated from the solution, you just remove these preciptated ions (Ag+, Cl-) from the list - and you are left with other ions, they form a salt - NaNO3.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: swati on July 31, 2006, 04:47:53 PM
:)  So the equation becomes
    AgNO3   +    NaCl    ----->     AgCl     +    NaNO3

How many g of silver chloride will be produced by reacting 10g of silver nitrate with sodium chloride?
Since 1 mole of AgNO3  gives 1mole of AgCl on reaction with NaCl, so calculate how much moles are there in 10 g of AgNO3 . Thus you can easily find the number of moles of AgCl formed which can then be converted to grams.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 04:57:29 PM
And I do that by finding the molar weight of AgNO3, then dividing that by 10, and that will be how many mols there are?

How do I go from mols to grams?  Do I multiply mols by the molar weight?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: swati on July 31, 2006, 05:20:27 PM
Molar weight of AgNO3 = 170 g

170 g of AgNO3 = 1 mole of AgNO3
 10 g of AgNO3  = 10 / 170 mole of AgNO3
                            = 0.059 mole of AgNO3

So , 0.059  mole of AgNO3 are present .

0.059 mole of AgNO3  -------->  0.059 mole of AgCl
1        mole of AgCl = 143.5 g of AgCl
0.059 mole of AgCl  =143.5 * 0.059 g of AgCl = 8.467 g of Ag Cl

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In short
Number of moles = Mass of the compound / Molar Mass

Mass of the compound = Number of moles * Molar Mass
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 05:22:17 PM
Thats exactly what I needed to see.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: swati on July 31, 2006, 05:32:25 PM
Thats exactly what I needed to see. Thanks.

Welcome .
But never expect spoon feeding . If someone gave you this answer in the starting then you won't use your brain . Now you understood the concept & you won't forget it easily .  :D
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 05:42:17 PM
How many g of zinc are required to produced 50g of hydrogen when reacting zinc with sulphuric acid?

Did I do this right -->  Zn + H2SO4 -> 2H + ZnSO4

2 moles of H make 1 mole of Zn.

2g of H = 2 moles of H
50 g = 50 moles.

50 moles of H = 25 moles of Zn

25 moles of Zn = 1635 g.

1635 g of Zn * 25 = 40875 g

Did I mess up anywhere?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 05:51:12 PM
Did I mess up anywhere?

Yes, twice, but these are minor mistakes, you understand how to do the question.

Did I do this right -->  Zn + H2SO4 -> 2H + ZnSO4

H2, not 2H. Luckily, mass is the same.

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25 moles of Zn = 1635 g.

1635 g of Zn * 25 = 40875 g

You have already calculated mass of 25 moles of Zn above, second multiplication is a mistake.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 05:53:29 PM
So 1635 g of Zinc are required to produce 50g of hydrogen when reacting zinc with sulphuric acid?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 05:55:04 PM
Yes. 1622g if you want to be really precise - or, 1.6*103g to be correct when it comes to significant digits.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 06:03:58 PM
Ok, I guess that sorta counts as me doing one for myself for once. 

Can you check my work on finding out how much sulphuric acid was needed for the previous question?


Zn + H2SO4 -> H2 + ZnSO4

2 moles of H = 1 mole of H2SO4

25 moles of H2SO4 = 2451.9625 g?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: swati on July 31, 2006, 06:14:17 PM

Can you check my work on finding out how much sulphuric acid was needed for the previous question?

Zn + H2SO4 -> H2 + ZnSO4

2 moles of H = 1 mole of H2SO4

25 moles of H2SO4 = 2451.9625 g?
It is correct , but instead of 2 moles of H write 1 mole of H2 .

Note : Mass of 1 mole of H2 is also 2 g
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 06:16:23 PM
You may check it by yourself - just download and install trial version of EBAS (see link in my signature), start the program, mark the reaction equation as written in your post and copy it to clipboard, press Ctrl-F to create reaction from clipboard content, and enter 50 as hydrogen mass.

Your result looks more or less correct, although it abuses significant digits. EBAS shows 2433 g (in output frame, below H2SO4 formula), but it uses much more accurate molar masses. To be really correct you should give answer as 2.4*103 g.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on July 31, 2006, 06:22:35 PM
I've been trying to use that, and, for the most part, I respect it a lot.  But what can it do for me if I can't even enter the proper equation?

Anyway, my teacher wants me to show work, so I have to do it myself.

I'm kinda getting the hang of it though.

Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on July 31, 2006, 06:37:11 PM
what can it do for me if I can't even enter the proper equation?

Nothing.

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Anyway, my teacher wants me to show work, so I have to do it myself.

And I am not proposing you to rely solely on the program, just to check the results. I won't help you for the next 8 hours, it is after midnight here and I am changing position to more horizontal :)
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: jennielynn_1980 on July 31, 2006, 09:52:13 PM
There is a partial list of ions on this site:

http://chemtutor.com/compoun.htm

also some text books have lists of ions.  For example, Foundations of Chemistry 2nd editions by Toon and Ellis has a list of common ions.

Good luck :)
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on August 01, 2006, 04:02:12 PM
Thanks for the list.

Now, this question seems to be different from the ones yesterday.  How do I do it?

How many grams of fluorine are required to react with 100g of NaBr in the following reaction:

F2 + 2NaBr -> 2NaF + Br2

Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on August 01, 2006, 04:28:10 PM
It is identical. Try to use ratios, as described on my page:

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=balancing-stoichiometry&right=ratio-proportions

or go for NaBr moles, F2 moles - and convert them back to mass.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on August 01, 2006, 05:01:19 PM
Do I have to do anything with the 2NaF?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on August 01, 2006, 05:13:58 PM
Do I have to do anything with the 2NaF?

What for? You are asked only about reactants, amounts of products doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on August 01, 2006, 05:18:07 PM
Well, the other questions involved a product.  This one's different.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on August 01, 2006, 05:25:11 PM
Well, the other questions involved a product.  This one's different.

It doesn't matter. You always start with reaction equation and molar ratios it defines.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on August 01, 2006, 05:27:45 PM
Well, how do I find the mass of F2 when the products don't matter and I only know that it's supposed to react with 100g of NaBr?

The program says the answer is 18.46g.  What steps did it take to get that answer?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on August 01, 2006, 05:48:24 PM
The program says the answer is 18.46g.

At least you know how to correctly use EBAS ;)

100g NaBr - how many moles is it?

Look at the reaction equation. How many moles of F2 react with 1 mole of NaBr? How many moles F2 will react with known number of moles of NaBr?

It is identical with the calculations you did yesterday.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on August 01, 2006, 06:09:34 PM
EBAS says 100g of NaBr is .97 moles.

That means the equation says 1 mole of F2 and .97 moles of NaBr will make 2NaF + Br2?

If its just 1 mole of F2, than thats just 38g?
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on August 01, 2006, 06:20:36 PM
EBAS says 100g of NaBr is .97 moles.

I hope you know how to calculate it by yourself.

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That means the equation says 1 mole of F2 and .97 moles of NaBr will make 2NaF + Br2?

No. Look at the reaction equation and coefficients there:

F2 + 2NaBr -> 2NaF + Br2

It reads: 1 mole of F2 reacts with 2 moles of NaBr yielding 2 moles of NaF and 1 mole of Br2. Now the question is: if 2 moles of NaBr react with 1 mole of F2, how many moles of F2 will react with 0.97 mole of NaBr?

It is described in the lecture I have pointed you to earlier tonight.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Shea on August 01, 2006, 06:24:17 PM
Yeah, I can calculate that myself.  I can do all the calculations, the hard part is just knowing what to calculate.

But, thanks to your rephrasing of the question, I'm not as confused anymore.

That's why EBAS says .4859 moles for F2.

Thats just a simple ratio.
Title: Re: Balancing
Post by: Borek on August 01, 2006, 06:34:46 PM
Thats just a simple ratio.

Told you so :) Once you understand that almost all stoichiometric questions are identical.