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Chemistry Forums for Students => Organic Chemistry Forum => Topic started by: AlphaScent on February 22, 2019, 10:47:46 AM
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It always works on paper..
I took 3-methylglutaric anhydride and treated it with 1 eq of isopropenylmagnesium bromide at -78 (ref ACIE 41(6) 2002 p. 1057, they use PhMgBr). I expected the conjugated ketone, but found a mixture (3:2) of the 1,4-addition product to the conjugated ketone. There was also hydrolyzed starting material (diacid). So I decided to try the reaction using 0.5 eq of Grignard to see if I could mitigate 1,4-addition.
Nope. A mixture still. This time 1:1. All products were confirmed with 2D NMR experiments (HSQC, HMBC, and COSY)
My question is does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening without copper? Also, does anyone have any ideas on how to possibly get the product I want?
I think the 1,4-addition is happening due to sterics. The 1,2-addition of a second Grignard is too crowded, so 1,4-predominates. Still doesn't make sense to have 1,4 over addition to an anhydride though. I think there may be some Lewis acid activation of the carbonyl from magnesium and is activating the conjugate product to afford 1,4 addition. My idea is to change to isopropenyl lithium.
What y'all think?
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I'm not an expert, but I have read it's very common for grignard to do 1,4 addition over 1,2 addition or give a mixture. I think it's somewhere in March's Advanced Organic. I am more surprised about the 1,4 addition being faster than substitution at the anhydride, just like you.
To get a better yield maybe you could try using a excess of the anhydride to favor only the anhydride reacting and not the product, if the anhydride is cheap. Or you could open it up to make a Weinreb's amide first. I think this would avoid ever having to deal with the organometallic ever being in contact with the enone.
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Spirochete,
I tried to use excess anhydride and it still gave a mixture. 1:1. I think your idea about the Weinreb amide is a good one. Do you have precedent for making Weinreb amides from anhydrides?
I would get the carboxylic acid on one end and the Weinreb amide on the other, Correct? Then possibly protect the acid as methyl or isopropyl ester and then react with Grignard? I want the lactone in the end.
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Bioorganic and Medicinal Chemistry Letters 26(2), 662, 2016. Claim 98% yield on my exact substrate.
This is a good idea Spirochete. I dont like having to waste an equivalent of my Grignard on deprotonation but such is life.
I think I may try this. If this works I will be messaging you for acknowledgment when I write the paper. Havent thought about Weinreb Amides since second semester of grad school!! Thank you for your help.
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That's awesome. That would make my day if you acknowledged me. I don't even have easy access to the literature any more. I think you could use 1 equiv of simple base like NaOH if you don't want to waste grignard.
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Except my last idea would be a waste of time because then you'd just have one equivalent of water that would burn up your grignard anyway...unless you removed water from it somehow. So it would probably be better and/or easier to just waste one equivalent of grignard like you said originally.
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I once did a grignard in the presence of CeCl2 which is supposed to only give 1,2 addition, this might be an idea.
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The lactone you want, can you show the structure?
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Spirochete,
Yeah wasting an equivalent of Grignard is then best, and easiest way. I do wonder though if this solves my problem of 1,4-addition. We know the intermediate complex after one addition of an organometallic mitigates a second equivalent of organometallic to add but does it attenuate 1,4-addition? It is an odd reaction, because one would think an anhydride to begin with is more reactive than a Weinreb amide, so why is it not adding to that faster in the first place? These are just my thoughts that I honestly do not have a concrete answer to. The PNG attachment shows the intermediate complex.
Of course if this route works you deserve some acknowledgment, it was not my idea after all. I am a firm believer of giving credit where credit is due. Too much bulls*** in this world.
rolnor,
Attached is the scheme I propose to my lactone. Do you mean you did the reaction in the presence of CeCl3? Like Leuche conditions for sodium borohydride reductions?
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Do you mean you did the reaction in the presence of CeCl3? Like Leuche conditions for sodium borohydride reductions?
could have been, cannot exactly remember
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Just an update here. Still waiting on the Weinreb salt to come in. Stay patient!
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I do wonder though if this solves my problem of 1,4-addition. We know the intermediate complex after one addition of an organometallic mitigates a second equivalent of organometallic to add but does it attenuate 1,4-addition? It is an odd reaction, because one would think an anhydride to begin with is more reactive than a Weinreb amide, so why is it not adding to that faster in the first place? These are just my thoughts that I honestly do not have a concrete answer to. The PNG attachment shows the intermediate complex.
Regarding this, I think the Weinreb amide does solve the problem of 1,4 addition, as long as you add two equivalents of the grignard (one to be base, the other to be nucleophile, like you said). Or even if you did add too much grignard, you break down the special tetrahedral intermediate with water anyway, so that should quench additional grignard before it does much conjugate addition.
Also thank you for update!
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Weinreb salt is in!! Will be making the Weinreb amide tomorrow! Ill let you know how the alkylation goes.
Cheers!
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If you can make the aldehyde to the left you can get the lactone in one step.
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rolnor,
I have been down this road before. It is not that simple to make that aldehyde. The Weinreb amide has the most chemo and regioselectivity. Once I hydrolyze it should lactonize as well.
I will keep in touch. Just did the reaction outlined in Tetrahedron 42,23,1987 p. 5475.
Will keep in touch!
Cheers!
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Have you done searching online like scifinder for the aldehyde? Its a simple startingmaterial. I think the amide with the carboxylic acid you are making could be tricky to handle, hydrophilic. Also the Grignard will quench with the acid, I guess you will take excess of the Grignard?
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The reference gives 96% yield. I am not too worried about the hydrophilicity. I will be using 2 eq. of Grignard.
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Spirochete gets the ball with 2 seconds left...puts it up!!!! ITs GOOD!! The crowd goes wild!!!
Weinreb amide from anhydride was made cleanly in 93% yield. Subsequent treatment with 2.5 eq of isopropenylmagnesium bromide in THF (0.1 M reaction solution) at RT gave the desired product in 86% yield.
Thanks Spirochete!! Please DM me your info. I will DM you mine. Want to put it in my NB for an acknowledgment when I eventually write the paper.
C13 NMR of product: 200.9, 178.3, 144.7, 124.83, 43.6, 40.7, 26.8, 20.0, 17.5
Quite clean even before any purification. I will tackle that once I return from golfing in Myrtle Beach.
Thanks again Spirochete and all who offered ideas!
Cheers!
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Great!
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Makes me warm and fuzzy inside