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Chirality of heteroatoms
« on: August 25, 2014, 05:20:15 AM »
Why can phosphorus and sulfur atoms be chiral, but not nitrogen (except in rigid structures)? Is it related to tunneling?

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Re: Chirality of heteroatoms
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 06:29:14 AM »
What is the definition of chirality?
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Re: Chirality of heteroatoms
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 07:15:15 AM »
No plane or center of symmetry. An atom is a stereogenic center when it has four different groups. I know all that. Nitrogen with four different groups (counting the electron pair) isn't chiral, while phosphorus and sulfur are even though they also have an electron pair, but R/S doesn't exchange rapidly, why? Is it because tunneling is less probable in their case?

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Re: Chirality of heteroatoms
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 07:23:13 AM »
The definition is the compound must be non-superimposable on it's mirror image, nothing to do with 4 different groups. Nitrogen can be chiral.
The interconversion of enantiomers in the case of S & P means they must proceed through some sort of quasi planar intermediate, the barrier to inversion is high. I'm not quite sure what tunnelling has to do with it!
Carbon R & S do not interconvert either.
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Re: Chirality of heteroatoms
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 07:45:30 AM »
Why would it be so easy for nitrogen to interconvert but not for the rest?

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Re: Chirality of heteroatoms
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 02:18:00 PM »
Ok, so let's think about what has to happen for inversion to occur. As discodermolide said, you have to go through some sort of a quasi planar intermediate (e.g. trigonal planar for N/P) to get to the other enantiomer - can you draw molecular orbital diagrams for both cases (i.e. tetrahedral and trigonal planar). In a nutshell, my reasoning would be this: as you go down a group, the s/p gap increases and s/p mixing and hence hybridization decrease in extent. For nitrogen it is fairly easy to change shape as the s/p mixing is strong and it can go from sp3 to sp2 and again to sp3 with little effort. However, bonding in P is determined more by the intrinsic angles between px, py and pz orbitals than by tetrahedral sp3 mixing (see the experimental bond angles trends as you go down a group for confirmation of this). Hence a change of shape would actually require some s/p mixing to occur, as deviation from the atomic inter-p angles is not possible (or very highly energetically unfavorable) otherwise. This however is much harder than in N, because of the s/p gap. Does this make sense?

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Re: Chirality of heteroatoms
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 03:12:24 PM »
Yes, but I don't quite understand what you meant.
For nitrogen it is fairly easy to change shape as the s/p mixing is strong and it can go from sp3 to sp2 and again to sp3 with little effort.
I don't see the logic behind this. Why would strong s/p mixing make sp3 to sp2 transition easier?

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Re: Chirality of heteroatoms
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 04:17:57 PM »
What I am saying is that the transitions are different - nitrogen goes sp3 to sp2, phosphorous more like 3 unhybridized p's via for example sp2 to 3 unhybridized p's - the change between the ground state and the 'transition state' is much higher for phosphorous = large activation energy for this process. Essentially having an s orbital which has a spherical symmetry to mix with the p orbitals allows you to play around with geometry much more, 'isolated' p orbitals are more or less stuck in their positions.

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