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what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« on: July 22, 2019, 09:40:42 AM »
what is the proton numbers in CH3+? As I know carbon atom has 6 electrons and 6 protons in a neutral state but in this case 5 protons or 6 protons?

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Re: what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2019, 10:15:06 AM »
Number of protons in nucleus is the atomic number. What is the element with atomic number 5?
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Re: what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2019, 03:09:48 PM »
If atoms change the proton count in the nucleus, it is usually physics not chemistry.  If an atom changes the proton count, it changes the type of element it is and we call it radioactivity (like Uranium-238 decaying to Thorium-234 by loss of an alpha particle). 

In processes usually considered chemical, changes in charge occur by gain or loss of electrons.

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Re: what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2019, 03:22:36 PM »
@OP,
If the carbon had 5 protons, would it have a positive charge?

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Re: what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2019, 11:32:17 PM »
Number of protons in nucleus is the atomic number. What is the element with atomic number 5?
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Re: what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2019, 11:35:08 PM »
@OP,
If the carbon had 5 protons, would it have a positive charge?
1 positive charge means one proton extra. So C has 6 electron and 6 electrons in the neutral state.
 Do C+ have 7 protons then?

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Re: what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2019, 02:45:56 AM »
Do C+ have 7 protons then?

Come on, you just answered that nucleus with 5 protons is no longer carbon, how can nucleus with 7 protons be carbon?
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Re: what is the proton numbers in CH3+?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2019, 01:51:34 PM »
Do C+ have 7 protons then?

Come on, you just answered that nucleus with 5 protons is no longer carbon, how can nucleus with 7 protons be carbon?
Ok Now I got it, not 5 and not 7. Then it is 6 protons because protons number are constant. Thank you all for teaching me this way because, in this method, I will never forget the concept anymore. thanks a lot.

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