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How come does it oxidize?
« on: December 20, 2019, 12:24:34 PM »
Hello

Could you please help me with this exercise?



It says "the nitrogen from NH4ClO4 suffers oxidation to NO" and asks me to assign "true" or "false". However, I cannot understand how this happens, since the answer is "true". In the first compound, it has an oxidation number of +5; and in the last, it has an oxidation number of +2. So it reduces, right?

Perhaps the exercise was elaborated wrongly?

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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2019, 12:35:01 PM »
In the first compound, it has an oxidation number of +5; and in the last, it has an oxidation number of +2.

Explain how you got these numbers.
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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2019, 12:39:40 PM »
In the first compound, it has an oxidation number of +5; and in the last, it has an oxidation number of +2.

Explain how you got these numbers.

I did it like this:

NH4ClO4

N + 4 - 1 - 8 = 0
N = 8 + 1 - 4
N = +5

(I replaced H for 4, since there are four H; and Cl for -1; and O for -8, since there are 4, and each is -2)

For NO, I did just N - 2 = 0 .:. N = +2

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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2019, 01:16:38 PM »
Think in terms of complex ions: ammonium and perchlorate. Hint: chlorine is not a -1 charge here.
What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were like a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?  - Richard P. Feynman

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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2019, 01:18:48 PM »
Ohhh, so I can do NH4 = +1, and find N = -3 ?

This is so strange to me. How can chlorine not be -1? Doesn't it need one electron to be complete like a noble gas?

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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2019, 01:30:00 PM »
How can chlorine not be -1?

In most compounds - yes, not in oxoacids (nor interhalogen compounds).

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Doesn't it need one electron to be complete like a noble gas?

This is more of a rule of thumb than a serious rule.

Think: it doesn't work for elements that have more than one valency. Fe2+ & Fe3+, S in H2SO3 and H2SO4 and so on.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2019, 06:20:33 AM by Borek »
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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2019, 01:36:10 PM »
Thank you very much, guys! I always learn a lot here!  ;)

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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2019, 03:28:57 PM »
There were times when the chlorine atom in HClO4 could be assigned a degree of oxidation of -1. At that time it was thought that chlorine could not have any other valence.
August Wilhelm Hofmann, Proceedings of the Royal Institution, 4, 401-430 (1865)
http://chem125-oyc.webspace.yale.edu/125/history99/6Stereochemistry/models/H4hcl.JPG
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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2019, 04:13:13 PM »
Apparently they also thought all the oxygen atoms were in a chain. What a bunch of dummies! :) /jk
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Re: How come does it oxidize?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2019, 01:55:54 PM »
on the left...
  NH4ClO4 is ammounium perchlorate.. a salt of perchloric acid  HClO4
  ClO4- ion has a -1 charge.. .ClO4-. 
  So the NH4 has a +1 charge.
  Each H has a +1 charge (because the N has the higher electronegativity 3.04 vs 2.20)
  so the N is -3. get that?
      1 * N + 4 * (+1) = +3 -----> N = -3

on the right..
  N in NO is +2.. why?  O is -2.  the overall NO has zero charge (no charge is shown so it's zero)

by definition
  reduction = reduction in charge (or oxidation state)
  oxidation = increase in charge

so the N is oxidized.

« Last Edit: December 26, 2019, 04:41:47 PM by MNIO »

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