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Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« on: September 01, 2006, 11:55:30 PM »
How can we estimate chloride and sulphate present in the same solution ?

Can we use AgNO3 first to estimate chloride & then in the remaining solution only sulphate is present which can be estimated using BaCl2?

Am I correct?

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2006, 03:20:45 AM »
What is Ag2SO4 solubility?
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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2006, 12:45:41 PM »
I think Ag2SO4 is only partially soluble (kps=1,4*10-5 M3), so it must be difficult to do.

I´d add BaCl2, calculate SO4 (BaSO4 is insoluble), and filter the white solid.
Then (when there´s not SO4 in solution) I´d add AgNO3 and calculate Cl- (knowing the quantity of BaCl2 we have added to subtract later).

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2006, 01:16:10 PM »
Then (when there´s not SO4 in solution) I´d add AgNO3 and calculate Cl- (knowing the quantity of BaCl2 we have added to subtract later).

Think about the way to avoid subtraction.
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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2006, 01:21:41 PM »
Then (when there´s not SO4 in solution) I´d add AgNO3 and calculate Cl- (knowing the quantity of BaCl2 we have added to subtract later).

Think about the way to avoid subtraction.

O.K.. How about using Ba(NO3)2 instead of  BaCl2?

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2006, 01:27:07 PM »
O.K.. How about using Ba(NO3)2 instead of  BaCl2?

Much better.

Note that I was asking about Ag2SO4 solubility not to suggest its use, but to signal the fact that OP idea was faulty - using Ag+ will precipitate BOTH chlorides and sulfates at the same time, so no separation was possible.
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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2006, 02:39:43 PM »
 ???
I thought something but I rejected that case myself & now I am unable to think anything else . I am totally confused what to do . Please help me

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2006, 02:51:43 PM »
???
I thought something but I rejected that case myself & now I am unable to think anything else . I am totally confused what to do . Please help me

1-Add Ba(NO3)2 to the solution.
2-Calculate SO4 (I do it with UltraViolet).
3-Filter the white solid.
4-Add AgNO3 to the solution.
5-Calculate Cl- (I do it with titration).

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2006, 03:39:23 PM »
 I think we can also do it gravimetrically. But I have few doubts :-

1.)  While estimating Cl- we add dil HNO3 first & then AgNO3 in order to prevent the formation of other Ag salts such as phosphates or carbonates. Will dil HNO3  prevent the formation of  Ag2SO4 ?

2.) First we do the gravimetric analysis for Cl- & then do we have to test for SO4 2- in the supernatant solution of chloride estimation or we have to do it separately that is taking new solution

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2006, 03:53:56 PM »
It is nice to think along the lines of wet chemistry, but I would definitely use ion chromatography to quantify the chloride and sulfate content simultaneously.  Even this method will be problematic if the sample is highly complex (ie other anions are present). 

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2006, 04:00:24 PM »
No , other anions are not present. Only chloride & sulphate are present. I was just telling the role of adding dil HNO3

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2006, 09:16:39 AM »
I think we can also do it gravimetrically. But I have few doubts :-

1.)  While estimating Cl- we add dil HNO3 first & then AgNO3 in order to prevent the formation of other Ag salts such as phosphates or carbonates. Will dil HNO3  prevent the formation of  Ag2SO4 ?

2.) First we do the gravimetric analysis for Cl- & then do we have to test for SO4 2- in the supernatant solution of chloride estimation or we have to do it separately that is taking new solution

Please someone clear these doubts  ???


1-Add Ba(NO3)2 to the solution.
2-Calculate SO4 (I do it with UltraViolet).
3-Filter the white solid.
4-Add AgNO3 to the solution.
5-Calculate Cl- (I do it with titration).
When we add Ba(NO3)2 to the solution containing Cl- & SO4 2- , I think Ba(NO3)2 react with Cl- to give BaCl2 .
Am I correct?


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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2006, 09:29:08 AM »
When we add Ba(NO3)2 to the solution containing Cl- & SO4 2- , I think Ba(NO3)2 react with Cl- to give BaCl2 .
Am I correct?
Yes, you are.

Since when BaCl2 is weakly soluble?
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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2006, 09:31:25 AM »
No, you precipitate the SO42- and, then, you can calculate the concentration of Cl-.

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Re: Estimation of chloride & sulphate
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2006, 09:32:07 AM »
While estimating Cl- we add dil HNO3 first & then AgNO3 in order to prevent the formation of other Ag salts such as phosphates or carbonates. Will dil HNO3  prevent the formation of  Ag2SO4 ?

Partially. That's all about equilibrium and protonation of SO42-.

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2.) First we do the gravimetric analysis for Cl- & then do we have to test for SO4 2- in the supernatant solution of chloride estimation or we have to do it separately that is taking new solution

It was already said why and how you should start with SO42- determination.
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