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Does amide + alcohol give an ester?
« on: January 21, 2020, 06:45:47 AM »
Hi, I have some doubts about the reaction between an amise and an alcohol

Some textbooks say that there is no reaction because in the tethraedral intermediate  -OR is a better leaving group than -NH2 ...so OR- is the leaving group and the amide is reformed

But other textbooks say that this is an equilibrium and this reaction  can occour anyway

So where is the truth?
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Re: Does amide + alcohol give an ester?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2020, 07:12:54 AM »
Under acidic conditions the reaction goes to RCOOR and NH4+
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Re: Does amide + alcohol give an ester?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2020, 12:22:45 PM »
Under acidic conditions the reaction goes to RCOOR and NH4+

Do you have an example in the literature? I reacall hydrolyzying acetamides in refluxing KOH overnight so its likely needs some harsh conditions but I never heard of this conversions you are describing

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Re: Does amide + alcohol give an ester?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2020, 04:17:30 PM »
Under acidic conditions the reaction goes to RCOOR and NH4+

Do you have an example in the literature? I reacall hydrolyzying acetamides in refluxing KOH overnight so its likely needs some harsh conditions but I never heard of this conversions you are describing

No, I dont but I have boiled amides in conc. HCl and you get the acid. If you have conc H2SO4 im MeOH you will get the ester I think.

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Re: Does amide + alcohol give an ester?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2020, 03:57:29 PM »
I'd guess it's a difficult reaction in practice, but I've read that you can do the conversion in acid because there is a driving force to remove the amine/ammonia from the equilibrium by protonation.

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Re: Does amide + alcohol give an ester?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2020, 01:37:04 AM »
Under acidic conditions the reaction goes to RCOOR and NH4+

Do you have an example in the literature? I reacall hydrolyzying acetamides in refluxing KOH overnight so its likely needs some harsh conditions but I never heard of this conversions you are describing

No, I dont but I have boiled amides in conc. HCl and you get the acid. If you have conc H2SO4 im MeOH you will get the ester I think.

I wouldnt be surprised if I got some diethylether or methlytation products instead of the ester.

I'd guess it's a difficult reaction in practice, but I've read that you can do the conversion in acid because there is a driving force to remove the amine/ammonia from the equilibrium by protonation.
Yeah, I think its gonna be hard to force the addition to the carbonyl.  I know you can to it when its tertiary amide with strong EWG group like tosyl or boc which kinda reduces the conjugation of the lone pair but otherwise not easy

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