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Weak Acid Strong Base pH
« on: April 05, 2020, 01:25:05 AM »
25 mL of 0.10 M acetic acid is titrated with 0.10 M NaOH. What is the pH after 5 mL of NaOH have been added? Ka for acetic acid = 1.8 × 10–5.
So I created an ICE table in moles of each substance:
CH3COOH +    OH-     :rarrow:      CH3COO-
I:  .0025        .0005                   
C: -.0005      -.0005           +.0005
E: .0020         0                    .0005

Then I converted these back to M using n/V
E: .0667         0                   .0167

After this, I used Henderson Hasselbalch equation of pH= pKa+ log[A-]/[HA]
4.745+ -.602= 4.142
pH= 4.142
 
Should I be getting a negative number for my log[A-]/[HA]?

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Re: Weak Acid Strong Base pH
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2020, 03:49:17 AM »
25 mL of 0.10 M acetic acid is titrated with 0.10 M NaOH. What is the pH after 5 mL of NaOH have been added? Ka for acetic acid = 1.8 × 10–5.
So I created an ICE table in moles of each substance:
CH3COOH +    OH-     :rarrow:      CH3COO-
I:  .0025        .0005                   
C: -.0005      -.0005           +.0005
E: .0020         0                    .0005

That's not entirely correct. The problem here is how one defines Initial, Change and Equilibrium. You got a correct stoichiometry - and that's a right first step - but not E (equilibrium) concentrations. Equilibrium after the neutralization can slightly shift (and you could use ICE table to find that shift). Usually the change is negligible, compare https://www.chembuddy.com/?left=buffers&right=with-ICE-table

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Then I converted these back to M using n/V

Correct, but not necessary - you divided nominator and denominator by the same number, it cancels out.

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After this, I used Henderson Hasselbalch equation of pH= pKa+ log[A-]/[HA]
4.745+ -.602= 4.142
pH= 4.142

Looks OK.
 
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Should I be getting a negative number for my log[A-]/[HA]?

Why not? Sometimes it will be negative, sometimes positive.
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Re: Weak Acid Strong Base pH
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2020, 05:21:48 PM »
But it's being titrated with a strong base, why would the pH go down?

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Re: Weak Acid Strong Base pH
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2020, 05:36:41 PM »
Goes down?
pH of 0.1 M acetic acid is close to 2.9.
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Re: Weak Acid Strong Base pH
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2020, 05:57:10 PM »
But when I take the log of [A-]/[HA], is -.602, is that correct?

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Re: Weak Acid Strong Base pH
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2020, 06:15:48 PM »
You diminished pKa value, not pH.
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Re: Weak Acid Strong Base pH
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2020, 03:40:30 AM »
But when I take the log of [A-]/[HA], is -.602, is that correct?

Yes.

Your starting point is not [HA]=[A-], in a 0.1M solution of acetic acid initial [A-]/[HA] ratio is around 0.01 - and the log is close to -2.
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