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Difference in Analytical Methods
« on: May 01, 2020, 03:26:19 PM »
Hey everyone!
I'm currently taking Gen Chem I and we're doing analysis in lieu of physical labs this quarter because of the restrictions.

My question is that when dealing with imprecise data sets, is it typical to see a difference between statistical and graphical analysis?

I'm attempting to derive an experimental molecular formula for Copper (II) Sulfate, hydrate. From the imprecise data set, the statistical analysis yielded a ratio of 12 water molecules to 1 copper (II) sulfate molecule while the graphical analysis yielded a ratio of 2 water molecules to 1 copper (II) sulfate molecule.

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Re: Difference in Analytical Methods
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2020, 03:57:12 PM »
It is difficult to say anything without data, but such large differences indicate rather large errors in calculations.
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Re: Difference in Analytical Methods
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2020, 05:02:13 PM »
So, this was all done in excel because I have 63 data points. In the images, I tried to capture the numbers and letters so you can see what's being done to what. For the large columns, it's the same equation dragged down.

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Re: Difference in Analytical Methods
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2020, 05:03:42 PM »
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Re: Difference in Analytical Methods
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2020, 02:54:34 AM »
Fantastically nonsense results. Even the copper sulfate crystal removed from the solution and dried on filter paper for a few seconds will not contain more water than about 7:1 (molar ratio water to salt). Properly air-dried at least about 4.5:1.
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Re: Difference in Analytical Methods
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2020, 04:13:42 AM »
My question is that when dealing with imprecise data sets, is it typical to see a difference between statistical and graphical analysis?

No. While there is nothing strange in getting different results, unless one of the methods is completely off (for whatever reasons - wrong assumptions, error in calculations) results should be in the same ballpark.
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Re: Difference in Analytical Methods
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2020, 11:35:07 AM »
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No. While there is nothing strange in getting different results, unless one of the methods is completely off (for whatever reasons - wrong assumptions, error in calculations) results should be in the same ballpark.

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It is difficult to say anything without data, but such large differences indicate rather large errors in calculations.

Thank you! I think for some reason, excel was excluding 1 data point, but I don't think that's enough to cause such a disparity. We were given 3 samples for each group, so I'm going to take the average of each sample and hopefully that makes more sense.

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Fantastically nonsense results.

There is something wrong with the data, I believe my professor wants me to perform an error analysis as well.

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