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Kc and gases
« on: May 04, 2020, 08:12:02 AM »
In an experiment, 9.0 moles of nitrogen and 27 moles of hydrogen were placed into a vessel of volume 10 dm3 and allowed to reach equilibrium. It was found that two thirds of the nitrogen and hydrogen were converted into ammonia. Calculate Kc for the reaction.
      N2(g) + 3H2(g) == 2NH3(g)

How is the answer 6.6 mol-2 dm6?

I tried change in equilibrium divided by the reaction vessel to find each concentration of each gas, then substitute it into the Kc expression. I had no success.

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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2020, 08:31:09 AM »
Enter the data into the formula correctly.
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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2020, 08:32:46 AM »
Could you give me a nudge in the right direction?? I'm abit stuck

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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2020, 08:33:22 AM »
Show your work.
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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2020, 09:37:49 AM »
Thank you for your reply.

N2 +         H2  ::equil:: 2NH3
9 mol        27mol             18mol

reaction vessel 10dm3-concentration from mols-
9/10           27/10               18/10

 therefore Concs are:  0.9             2.7                  1.8

put into Kc expression     

1.8 x 1.8/ 0.9 x ( 2.7x 2.7 x 2.7)
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70.86






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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2020, 09:49:50 AM »
 
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It was found that two thirds of the nitrogen and hydrogen were converted into ammonia
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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2020, 09:53:42 AM »
Thank you for that...

However, if I use
N2 +         H2  ::equil:: 2NH3
6 mol        18mol             18mol

reaction vessel 10dm3-concentration from mols-
6/10           18/10               18/10

 therefore Concs are:  0.6             1.8                  1.8

put into Kc expression     

1.8 x 1.8/ 0.6 x ( 1.87x 1.7 x 1.7)
=
31.49

Have i missed out a step?

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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2020, 09:57:52 AM »
Some amounts od H2 and N2 were left - from that reacted ammonia was formed (usually ICE tables are prepared)
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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2020, 11:18:18 AM »
Thank you for your response.
I have tried looking up ICE tables- I understand about products losing and gaining when changing equilibrium- but the answers are still not working out for me.
My ICE table must be incorrect.

N2 +         H2  ::equil:: 2NH3
6 mol        18mol             18mol

reaction vessel 10dm3-concentration from mols-
6/10           18/10               18/10

 Initial: Concs are:  0.6             1.8                  1.8
Change:          0.6-1.8           1.8-(1.8x3)         1.8
Equilibrium          -0.12            -0.36                1.8

put into Kc expression     

gives an incorrect number...

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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2020, 11:46:06 AM »
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Equilibrium          -0.12            -0.36                1.8
All concentrations are still wrong.
eg: 0.9 - (2/3)ยท0.9=
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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2020, 11:58:07 AM »
Thank you for your reply.
 I have tried using the new examples, however I am not getting this.
Could I ask you for the method.
All your help is appreciated.

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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2020, 12:11:31 PM »
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It was found that two thirds of the nitrogen and hydrogen were converted into ammonia.
Just read carefully
Nitrogen and hydrogen form ammonia - how may moles or what is ammonia concentration?
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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2020, 12:19:24 PM »
For the reacting amounts of ammonia there are 2mols.
Initial /mol= o

Is it saying there is 2/3 of 2 mols?

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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 12:25:40 PM »
Ammonia is as much as formed from a portion of nitrogen and hydrogen. You have all the data needed to calculate the amount of ammonia after reaching equilibrium. Since you give hydrogen with nitrogen, there is, of course, no ammonia at the beginning.
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Re: Kc and gases
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2020, 12:44:16 PM »
Okay,
I have tried...
0.9- 2/3.0.0.9= 0.23
2.7- 3x 2/3=2.0

2/3 of ammonia = 24mols??
I have crunched this through the ICE and Kc and still incorrect.

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