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Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« on: July 02, 2020, 10:31:13 AM »
Can grignard reaction contain a double bond it's chain? or does it have to be alkyl.

Grignard reagents are RMgX, but is the R always alkyl or can it contain double bonds/triple bonds/halogens?
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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2020, 11:20:03 AM »
Double bonds are OK. What do you think about halogens, can Grignards react with alkylhalides? Terminal tripple bonds, what about the acidic hydrogen, could that be a problem?

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2020, 12:30:41 PM »
So grignard are strong bases, they can react with the acidic hydrogen of triple bonds, and halogens i guess can react via sn2 with it.

But im glad my reaction above works! thank you!!
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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2020, 02:32:19 PM »
You are welcome!

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2020, 03:51:52 PM »
In the presence of an alkyl halide, I wonder whether or not a Grignard might exchange into a different Grignard.  I am just speculating.

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2020, 05:00:41 PM »
I dont think so, alkyllithium can do this but not grignard.

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2020, 11:47:17 AM »
You can buy vinyl magnesium halides and allyl magnesium halides from places like Sigma-Aldrich so definitely double bonds and Grignards can coexist!

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2020, 01:10:49 PM »
The butenyl-Grignard you have in the scheme is also commercially available.

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2020, 02:23:38 PM »
I dont think so, alkyllithium can do this but not grignard.
To my surprise there appears to be a synthetically useful exchange reaction:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/anie.200300579

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2020, 04:08:58 AM »
Yes, I recall this now, I can not read the full paper. Maybe even terminal acetylene would be possible? I think you use a Grignard together with LiCl?
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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2020, 09:22:35 AM »
I just skimmed the article.  In some cases, aryl bromides or iodides are converted into aryl MgCl. I did not see LiCl in the exchange step itself, but I did see it in the next step, along with CuCN, in some syntheses. 

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Re: Is this reaction possible [Grignard]
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2020, 04:56:41 PM »

The structure looks OK but is the name wrong, should it not be 4-butenylmagnesiumbromide?

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