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Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« on: October 21, 2020, 12:19:12 PM »
Why the  Fischer Esterification of trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid can decompose the compound and is not a valuable way in order to do an esterification??!


....Perhaps because  I have an α-β unsaturated carbonyl compound ??
And the H+ can "attack"  also the C=C ( as well as  protonate the C=O) ?

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 12:56:54 PM »
Can you think of any other chemistry that might happen besides esterification?  I would focus on the catalyst (as you did), but I am not quite sure what you mean by "attack."

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 01:05:39 PM »
Can you think of any other chemistry that might happen besides esterification?  I would focus on the catalyst.

the "catalyst" is the acid environment

The only thing  that comes to mind is the electrophilic addition of H+ to C=C....

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 07:00:43 PM »
Once the proton adds to one of the carbon, is there free rotation around the C-C bond?

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 07:19:10 PM »
Once the proton adds to one of the carbon, is there free rotation around the C-C bond?

When the proton adds at one carbon of C=C bond I'll get a single bond....and there could be a rotation

SO I could have a 180 degree rotation ...and after that rotation if the C=C is reformed  I'll have the cis isomer instead the trans one?
Do you mean this?

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2020, 08:39:35 PM »
You are on the right track, but think about chemical equilibrium.

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2020, 10:15:13 AM »
You are on the right track, but think about chemical equilibrium.

If I thought at the equilibrium between cis and trans ....the trans isomer should be more stable

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2020, 10:18:38 AM »
Yes, but there will be some fraction of of the cis-form.

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Re: Fischer esterification trans 4-methoxycinnamic acid
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2020, 12:21:18 PM »
Yes, but there will be some fraction of of the cis-form.

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