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Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« on: January 18, 2021, 02:40:29 AM »
Hi.

I found this step in a synthesis of a certain compound and I determined that it looks a lot like the chlorination of a carboxylic acid. From what I can find, such chlorinations generally use SOCl2 (thionyl chloride) and not SO2Cl2 (sulfuryl chloride). What makes this different?


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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2021, 03:10:01 AM »
It looks strange, DMF can probably not be the solvent? Maybe its a type-error, it should be SOCl2? Also you will get the product as HCl-salt.

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2021, 04:12:12 AM »
It looks strange, DMF can probably not be the solvent? Maybe its a type-error, it should be SOCl2? Also you will get the product as HCl-salt.
I just realized that the article in which I found the synthesis, they do not cite a source for its synthesis pathway. Wikipedia isn't always a great source, so it could just be nonsense.

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2021, 06:37:01 AM »
If this diagram is from Wikipedia, there is sure to be a link citing the original publication there. Printing errors can happen anywhere.
Once you notice an error, you can correct it yourself after thoroughly checking the reference literature.

DMF is commonly used as a catalyst in the synthesis of acid chlorides with thionyl chloride.
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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2021, 07:03:05 AM »
I think DMF is used as catalyst when oxalyl chloride is used,  not thionyl chloride. It is not used as solvent?
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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2021, 10:50:12 AM »
If this diagram is from Wikipedia, there is sure to be a link citing the original publication there. Printing errors can happen anywhere.
Once you notice an error, you can correct it yourself after thoroughly checking the reference literature.

DMF is commonly used as a catalyst in the synthesis of acid chlorides with thionyl chloride.
It doesn't seem like there is a paper attached to it.

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2021, 01:15:44 PM »
A slightly tangential comment: It has been some time since I worked with SO2Cl2, but I used to distill it away from a lower boiling impurity shortly before use.

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2021, 05:11:22 PM »
DMF is perfectly fine to be a solvent. Why wouldn't it be? I'm more concerned about that amine there either reacting with the acid chloride or this thing precipitating out when protonated.

BTW its common to run chlorinations in neat thionyl chloride, sometimes with a drop of catalytic DMF.

Workup is either distill off thionyl chloride, or if the product is kinda water stable, dump it into ice then extract with water and organic solvent.

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2021, 09:05:07 AM »
Wildfyr, I think acid chlorides react with DMF much like POCl3 does when you make Wilsmeyers reagent.
I have never seen DMF used as catalyst when making acid chlorides with SOCl2 but often when oxalyl chloride is used.

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2021, 05:24:42 PM »
Hm... I think i've used those conditions for SO3Na --->SO2Cl

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2021, 03:45:27 AM »
Wildfyr,I can be wrong, I dont have any reference to support this, its more from experience.

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2021, 04:13:24 AM »
US1326040A - 1919
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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2021, 09:50:55 AM »
AWK, what does the patent say, I can not find it on the web?

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Re: Halogenation of a carboxylic acid using SO2Cl2
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2021, 01:07:47 PM »
Thanks AWK. I dont  see anything about DMF but its a lot if text, have I missed it?

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