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How to make potassium sulfide from potassium sulfate?
« on: September 13, 2021, 09:32:52 PM »
According to Wikipedia:

    [Potassium sulfide] can be produced by heating K2SO4 with carbon (coke):

    K2SO4 + 4 C → K2S + 4 CO

Unfortunately there are no references for this, so I don't know where to look for more information.

Would the carbon have to be milled to give a large surface area? What temperature would this reaction require? K2S decomposes at 912C so I would think this reaction has to happen below this.

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Re: How to make potassium sulfide from potassium sulfate?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2021, 11:10:55 AM »
Based on really quick look at thermochemistry using tabulated heats of formation and standard entropies for all substances in the condensed phase except CO, this is an endothermic reaction (est. ΔH ~ 650 kJ/mol) and entropically favorable due to gas production (ΔS ~ 0.7 kJ/mol K). At room temperature it's quite non spontaneous (ΔG ~ +460 kJ/mol), meaning equilibrium favors reactants. You can estimate the temperature at which it becomes favorable using ΔG=ΔH-TΔS, assuming H and S are temperature independent. Setting ΔG = 0, T ~ 915 K. And yes, using fine C particulate will probably speed the reaction up.

Of course, just because a reaction is unfavorable doesn't mean you can't form products at lower temperatures - you just need to find ways to shift the equilibrium in the desired direction (removing product CO for instance). And of course the thermodynamics don't necessarily have anything to do with the rate of the reaction. A reaction may yield product "on paper" but that doesn't mean it's efficient or that other products aren't formed under a set of reaction conditions.
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Re: How to make potassium sulfide from potassium sulfate?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2021, 12:03:53 PM »
Thank you, that was very helpful.

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