April 20, 2024, 12:27:41 AM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Finkelstein reaction  (Read 1016 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Monoamine

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
  • Mole Snacks: +1/-0
Finkelstein reaction
« on: September 18, 2021, 08:48:05 PM »
I am trying to convert an bromoalkane into an idodoalkane, and I came across a procedure called the "Finkelstein reaction".

In short: You dissolve NaI in acetone together with your bromo (or chloro or fluoro)-alkane, and use the fact that, unlike NaI, the NaBr, NaCl and NaF salts aren't soluble in acetone, which drives the reaction to completion. I tried to find out what the exact reaction conditions are so I know temperature, reaction time, etc..., but the only information I could find is from this paper:

The facile preparation of alkenyl metathesis synthons
T. W. Baughman, J. C. Sworen, K. B. Wagener, Tetrahedron, 2004, 60, 10943-10948.

In it, they use 1.7 eqiv. NaI for their chloroalkene, and run the reaction at reflux for.... THREE DAYS!! (Yield: 89%)

Ok, granted, they use a haloalkane not a haloalkane, and a chlorinated one at that, not a brominated one, but three days?? That seems extraordinarily long for such a simple reaction...

Maybe periodically interrupting the reaction and filtering off the insoluble KBr precipitate would slightly speed up the reaction, by shifting the equilibrium? This might also provide a way to monitor how far the reaction has progressed, since once 1.0 equiv KBr is collected, the reaction should be done.

So I was wondering if anyone here has ever tried this reaction with a bromoalkane, instead of a chloroalkene, and what reaction conditions were used? Also, I only have KI, but I'm guessing that shouldn't make a difference?

Thank you.

Offline rolnor

  • Chemist
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2212
  • Mole Snacks: +149/-10
Re: Finkelstein reaction
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2021, 02:33:14 AM »
You should use NaI, KBr is more soluble in acetone than NaBr. Usually roomtemp over night is OK, you dont need reflux.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2021, 03:04:39 AM by rolnor »

Offline wildfyr

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1771
  • Mole Snacks: +203/-10
Re: Finkelstein reaction
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2021, 04:32:32 PM »
I've done it, very common reaction, and definitely use NaI, what rolnor says about potassium salts is important. You want to run it a long time to get very high conversion because theres a good chance you can't separate the different haloalkanes unless they are distillable.

Offline Babcock_Hall

  • Chemist
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5609
  • Mole Snacks: +321/-22
Re: Finkelstein reaction
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2021, 08:30:27 AM »
In my hands the reaction is sometimes sluggish with chloroalkanes but somewhat more facile with bromoalkanes.  @OP, How does the insolubility of NaBr play into the overall completeness of the reaction?  The concentration of reagents is usually high, in my experience.  Occasionally this reaction is run in 2-butanone, but I could only speculate as to why.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2021, 08:44:32 AM by Babcock_Hall »

Offline wildfyr

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1771
  • Mole Snacks: +203/-10
Re: Finkelstein reaction
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2021, 03:03:01 PM »
Probably because you can cook 2-butanone (usually called MEK or methyl ethyl ketone) a little hotter.

Offline Monoamine

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 26
  • Mole Snacks: +1/-0
Re: Finkelstein reaction
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2021, 01:00:39 AM »
I went ahead and tried it with KI anyway, since I didn't have any NaI around, and it worked just fine. I did however, use a 3x molar excess of KI. The fact that the end product was EtI and not EtBr could be seen both by its boiling point (when I distilled off the solvent) and because I did a quick AgNO3 test to check that I truly had an iodinated species, not a brominated one.
And you're right, it didn't take nearly three days. Overnight was enough for a total transformation (unless the EtBr boils off with the acetone as an azeotrope or something...)

The link below shows a picture of the silver nitrate test (left: Iodoethane. Right: Bromoethane)
https://ibb.co/MNmxNL3

Cheers

« Last Edit: October 01, 2021, 01:18:00 AM by Monoamine »

Sponsored Links