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500M sulfuric acid?
« on: April 04, 2007, 03:12:42 PM »
One of my lab partners was talking about this... can 500M sulfuric acid exist? Is it the same as 98% sulfuric acid?

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Re: 500M sulfuric acid?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2007, 03:17:49 PM »
How could you check it? Do you know how to convert concentrations?

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Re: 500M sulfuric acid?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2007, 04:25:50 PM »
Well... if 98% sulfuric acid means 98% by mass, then that's 98g of H2SO4 per 100g H2O.  98g of H2SO4 is about 1 mol, and 100g H2O is about 0.1 L, which means that it's about 10M.

And for 500M you'd need 500 mols H2SO4 per liter of water, right?  Which translates to about 49.045 kg of solid H2SO4!  Seems unrealistic to me, but at the same time I can't find the solubility of solid/anhydrous H2SO4 anywhere.

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Re: 500M sulfuric acid?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2007, 05:08:55 PM »
You are on the right track, even if wrong in terms of numbers.

Well... if 98% sulfuric acid means 98% by mass, then that's 98g of H2SO4 per 100g H2O.

No, per 100g of solution. Which means 98g of H2SO4 per 2 g of H2O.

Pure H2SO4 is liquid miscible with water.

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http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=CASC&right=density_tables
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Re: 500M sulfuric acid?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2007, 09:40:25 PM »
Ah, I see what I did wrong.  So 98g, or 1 mol of H2SO4 divided by 2g, or 0.002L of H2O, gives 500M after all.

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it!

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Re: 500M sulfuric acid?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2007, 01:26:34 AM »
Ah, I see what I did wrong.  So 98g, or 1 mol of H2SO4 divided by 2g, or 0.002L of H2O, gives 500M after all.

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it!
You misunderstood two different concentations - molar (moles/dm3) and molal (moles/kg_of solvent).
In fact, 98 % H2SO4 is approximately 500 molal (m) not molar (M)

Edut: typo that made answer ambiguous corrected.
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