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Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« on: April 26, 2007, 05:41:52 AM »
Deduce the structure of molecule with the following data: C = 67.2% H = 7.2% with m/z (abundances) as 251 (15.4) and 250 (100). by completing the followings: (40%)

The formula is _C14_H18_O4____. the DBE is ___6_____

  $  multiplicity  Integration ratio          implication
1.0   triplet               3                      2 x (CH3 group next to CH2 group)
1.4   sextet              2                      2 x (CH2 gp next to CH2 gp and CH3 gp)
4.0   triplet               2                      2 x (CH2 gp next to CH2 gp)
7.4   singlet              2                      4 proton-substituted benzene ring

Structure:

                                                 O                   O
                                                 ll                    ll
 CH3----------CH2--------------CH2--------C- O - Ph - O - C------CH2------------CH2--------------CH3
$1.0(3H,t) $ 1.4(2H,sex) $4.0 (2H,t)       $ 7.4 (4H,s)  $4.0 (2H,t)  $ 1.4(2H,sex) $1.0(3H,t) 

Mass number = 250 as the intensity for mass number of 251 is significantly smaller than that of 250. Then we expect that 13C is the most possible one existed in isotopic mass of this compound.

Assume the molecule = 100 g
                        C                        H
Mass                67.2                     7.2
Rel.No. of mole  5.6                      7.2 
Simpliest mol rato 7                        9

As mass number = 250, the remaining mass number = 250 - 12x14 - 18 = 64 which represent exactly 4 oxygens.In this case, 250 is even indicating that no N atom or even N atom exists. However, it is impossible to have even number of N atom in this molecule as no remaining mass counts for N atom.


As the sum integration ratio is 9 and the number of hydrogen atom is 18, so the integration ratio should be doubled in this molecule.

Are these explanations enough? Thank you!

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2007, 06:24:50 AM »
I think you should also tell whether that Phenyl ring  is ortho, para or meta substituted  :)

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2007, 06:48:34 AM »
I think the substitution position of ester group in benzene ring  should be in para position as only singlet signal is given in $7.4. Am I correct?

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2007, 09:48:43 AM »
4.0   triplet    ,  must next to a oxygen atom, I think.

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2007, 12:57:32 PM »
                                                     O       O
                                                     ll         ll
CH3----------CH2--------------CH2--------O- C- Ph - C - O------CH2------------CH2--------------CH3
$1.0(3H,t) $ 1.4(2H,sex) $4.0 (2H,t)       $ 7.4 (4H,s)  $4.0 (2H,t)  $ 1.4(2H,sex) $1.0(3H,t)

Do u means the above structure? Why are you so sure that I am wrong? 

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2007, 01:23:10 PM »
because chemical shift of CH2 next to a cabonyl group does not exceed 3.0ppm

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 08:20:48 PM »
because chemical shift of CH2 next to a cabonyl group does not exceed 3.0ppm

the chemical shift of CH2 in ethyl benzoate is ca 4.4ppm

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 08:32:21 PM »
because chemical shift of CH2 next to a cabonyl group does not exceed 3.0ppm

the chemical shift of CH2 in ethyl benzoate is ca 4.4ppm

ch2 group on ethyl benzoate actually bond to oxygen

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2007, 08:41:41 PM »
because chemical shift of CH2 next to a cabonyl group does not exceed 3.0ppm

the chemical shift of CH2 in ethyl benzoate is ca 4.4ppm

ch2 group on ethyl benzoate actually bond to oxygen

yes it is, exactly like the ones in the proposed structure

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Re: Structure prediction for Unknown Compound
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2007, 09:00:33 PM »
i thought u rebutting the ch2 group not passing 3ppm next to a carbonyl

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