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Paperchase
« on: October 13, 2007, 10:02:07 PM »
Reaction of compound A with Br2/H2O yields compound B, which upon treatment with conc. H2SO4 and heat gave compound C. Then rection of C with water/acid gave D. D has molecular formula C5H9BrO.
Then a test was done with C with Br2/CCl4 showing a colour chnage from red to clear and treatment of A with KMnO4 produces a symmetrical diacid.

What is compound A and C???



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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 11:22:10 PM »
Hmm.  I'm not actually sure how to do this one.  I have a good idea about what's supposed to happen, but I can't think of an A such that oxidation of it with potassium permanganate produces a symmetrical diacid.

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2007, 02:34:31 AM »
I was told in my second year o.chem course that adding potassium permanganate and a strong acid to an alkene oxidizes it all the way to a dicarboxylic acid.

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2007, 02:44:48 AM »
I was told the same this year in first year chem but A is some kind of Pentene then???

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2007, 02:57:59 AM »
I would think so

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 03:22:02 AM »
Ah, then I think I know what it is.  You are on the right track that A is a pentene.

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 03:23:59 AM »
I think its 2-pentene

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 03:26:06 AM »
Would oxidation of 2-pentene create a dicarboxylic acid?  A hint here would be to look at the formula for the product.  How many degrees of unsaturation are in D?

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2007, 04:33:08 AM »
i forgot about the dicarboxylic acid so therefore it must be a dialkene then is that right??? then i am tottaly stuffed witht he position of the double bonds in the pentene??

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2007, 04:35:22 AM »
s#*$, wrong answer i just put up in the last post i now thinks its a cyclopentene??

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Re: Paperchase
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2007, 01:40:01 PM »
That's what I get.

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