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a pH question help
« on: November 12, 2007, 10:19:09 PM »
question is:
if nitrous acid has a Ka at 4.5E-4, and a solution is prepared with 0.5 M of sodium nitrate.
what is the pH.

here is my take on this question so far,

Kb = Kw/Ka = 1E-14/4.5E-4

kb = (x^2)/(0.5-x)

1) does x equals to [H30+] or [OH-]?
2) if kb > ka the solution is basic right?


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Re: a pH question
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 11:14:54 PM »
anyone?

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Re: a pH question help
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 01:37:10 AM »
And reaction of hydrolysis (protolysis) is?
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Re: a pH question help
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 08:00:52 AM »
that is what i am confused at.
this is what i have so far for the stoichiometry of the equation.(assuming NO3 is -1 charge)
well HNO3 is the conjugate acid of the NaNO3
so

Na + HNO3 + H20 <-> H3O + NO3 + Na

or is it

Na + HNO3 + H20 <-> OH + H2NO3 + Na

i think it is the first one right ?? ;D ???

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Re: a pH question help
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 08:17:29 AM »
This is sodium nitrate(III)
NO2- + H2O = HNO2 + OH-
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Re: a pH question help
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 02:09:56 PM »
question is:
if nitrous acid has a Ka at 4.5E-4, and a solution is prepared with 0.5 M of sodium nitrate.
what is the pH.

here is my take on this question so far,

Kb = Kw/Ka = 1E-14/4.5E-4

kb = (x^2)/(0.5-x)

1) does x equals to [H30+] or [OH-]?
2) if kb > ka the solution is basic right?


if i do that kb = 2.22E-11

x=3.33E-6
pOH=5.48
pH=8.52

that can't be yet since ka > kb, the solution is acidic.
but the pH value i calculated 8.52 is >7?

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Re: a pH question help
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 03:05:54 PM »
anyone? thanks

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Re: a pH question help
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2007, 03:24:33 PM »
that can't be yet since ka > kb, the solution is acidic.

No idea where did you get this misconception from - but it is just misconception. What you have in solution is a weak Bronsted-Lowry base (NO2-) so solution must be alkaline.
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Re: a pH question help
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 07:14:09 PM »
This is sodium nitrate(III)
NO2- + H2O = HNO2 + OH-

Sodium nitrate is NaNO3

Your equation is for sodium nitrate NaNO2

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