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Offline Cavat

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Rydberg formula
« on: November 28, 2007, 07:56:10 PM »
I tried searching for the answer to my question, but I couldn't seem to find it...

The one thing I did notice was that when people were using Rydberg's formula, they had it in the form (1/wavelength)=Rh {1/(ni^2) - 1/(nf^2)}

However, the way our professor showed us the equation was :

deltaE = Rh {1/(ni2) - 1/(nf2)}

So I just want to make sure, these equations or similar / why teacher showed it this way...

Also I actually do have a question pertaining to the equation... We were going over this in a review session, and no one was able to get the answer, and the professor just kind of left us on how to solve it...

So this is what I have:

Wavelength = 95.2 nm
Nf = 1
Find Ni

So first, I found energy:
E = H (c/wavelength)
E = (6.63 x 10-34) * (3.00 x 108 / 95.2)
E = 2.089x10-27

So into Rydberg's equation:

2.089x10-27 = Rh * [1/(ni2) - 1/(nf2)]

2.089x10-27 = (2.18x10-18) * [(1/(ni^2) - (1/1)]
2.089x10-27= (2.18x10-18) * [1/(ni2) - 1]
9.582x10-10 = [1/(ni2)] - 1
1.0000000009583 = [1 / (ni2)]
1.0000000009583(ni2) = 1
ni2 = 1/1.0000000009583
ni2 = .9999
ni= 1

And I forgot to mention, the answer in the back of the book is ni=5
So, I'm not sure if its just calculation error, or what the problem.

Any help is appreciated!
Thanks.

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Re: Rydberg formula
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 08:30:42 PM »
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deltaE = Rh {1/(ni2) - 1/(nf2)}

dE = -hcRH (1/nf2-1/ni2)

dE = hc/lambda, so 1/lambda = -hcRH/hc (1/nf2-1/ni2) = RH(1/ni2 - 1/nf2)

RH is 1.097*107, the value you quote as RH is hcRH.

I haven't checked your working, but if ni = nf nothing has happened.

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Re: Rydberg formula
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 10:00:14 PM »
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deltaE = Rh {1/(ni2) - 1/(nf2)}

dE = -hcRH (1/nf2-1/ni2)

dE = hc/lambda, so 1/lambda = -hcRH/hc (1/nf2-1/ni2) = RH(1/ni2 - 1/nf2)

RH is 1.097*107, the value you quote as RH is hcRH.

I haven't checked your working, but if ni = nf nothing has happened.
I'm a bit confused, what is hcRh?

My teacher never taught us this...  She only taught us that Rydberg's constant is 2.18x1018



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Re: Rydberg formula
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 10:12:16 PM »
hcRH is a combination of constants: h is planck's constant, c is speed of light.  hcRH is 2.18*10-18

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Re: Rydberg formula
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 03:47:50 AM »
I tried searching for the answer to my question, but I couldn't seem to find it...

The one thing I did notice was that when people were using Rydberg's formula, they had it in the form (1/wavelength)=Rh {1/(ni^2) - 1/(nf^2)}

However, the way our professor showed us the equation was :

deltaE = Rh {1/(ni2) - 1/(nf2)}

The two equations are at least formally identical, less a constant factor. Recall that c = f.λ and E = h.f, so E = h.c / λ

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Re: Rydberg formula
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 04:32:33 AM »
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E = H (c/wavelength)
E = (6.63 x 10-34) * (3.00 x 108 / 95.2)
Also, wavelength is in m, not nm  :)

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Re: Rydberg formula
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2007, 11:19:38 AM »
haha, alright well thank you very much for the help.   :)

I finally ended up getting the answer after many tries...  Thankfully my teacher didn't end up putting one of these on the exam...

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