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Re: How do I Prepare this Buffer?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2008, 06:33:34 AM »
Substitute into Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and solve.
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Re: How do I Prepare this Buffer?
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2008, 02:09:03 AM »
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[H2PO4-] = (2*0.1*x - 0.1*y) / (x+y)

Try the same approach to find out H2PO4- concentration.

Where did this 2 come from?

Borek, I did follow your instructions and obtained the correct solution. But I'm a little unclear about the stoichiometry. Which two protons are you referring to that are being neutralized? From the reaction equation, isn't there only a transfer of 1 proton? Or, does the 2 come from the fact that H2PO4- still has 2 protons left on it?

Can you clarify this part a bit more? Thanks, you've already been extremely helpful.

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Re: How do I Prepare this Buffer?
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2008, 03:32:53 AM »
When you neutralize 1 proton you have H2PO4- in the solution. You have to move further, hence the 2nd.
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Re: How do I Prepare this Buffer?
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2008, 03:59:11 AM »
In such a cases I teach my students to exchange protons (and Na+) stepwise:
H3PO4 + Na3PO4 = NaH2PO4 + Na2HPO4
Then, depending which reagent should be in excess
NaH2PO4 + Na3PO4 = 2Na2HPO4
or
H3PO4 + Na2HPO4 = 2NaH2PO4
The stoichiometry should be done in moles or in concentrations when all reagents are in the same volume.
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Re: How do I Prepare this Buffer?
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2008, 04:14:54 AM »
When you neutralize 1 proton you have H2PO4- in the solution. You have to move further, hence the 2nd.

Borek, let me see if I've got this straight. The HH equation calls for: log ([H2PO4-] / [HPO4-2])

But we're really starting from H3PO4, and going to HPO4-2. Two protons are neutralized in this way.

If this reasoning was correct, I'm just glad I finally understood it. Unfortunately this concept was not very apparent to me. 

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In such a cases I teach my students to exchange protons (and Na+) stepwise:
H3PO4 + Na3PO4 = NaH2PO4 + Na2HPO4
Then, depending which reagent should be in excess
NaH2PO4 + Na3PO4 = 2Na2HPO4
or
H3PO4 + Na2HPO4 = 2NaH2PO4
The stoichiometry should be done in moles or in concentrations when all reagents are in the same volume.


Oh, that makes sense to me now.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2008, 04:26:05 AM by mrlucky0 »

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