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home experiment
« on: March 28, 2008, 02:06:23 PM »
hi i need help please i need someone to work out a formulae and word equation for me please so i know what happened in my test tube lol :)
i added copper(II) sulphate to water and added a magnesium ribbon (that started the sacraficial protection) i got bored so i added potassium iodide i now im left with a huge amount of iodine and something dark green at the bottom what happened and whats left???

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Re: home experiment
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 02:08:59 PM »
Can you start to work out this problem by expressing those substances by their chemical formulas?  And seeing what reactions will go forward.
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Re: home experiment
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2008, 02:39:23 PM »
well at the moment i have the unreacted formulae
Mg+2 + Cu(II)SO-2 + KI

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Re: home experiment
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 02:54:44 PM »
oops mistake there
Cu(II)SO-2 + H2O + Mg+2 + KI

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Re: home experiment
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 03:03:30 PM »
MgO + Cu(III)SO + K20 + i + H2
is it something like that??

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Re: home experiment
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2008, 03:06:00 PM »
Oh no hold on i forgot the 5H2O in the sulphate

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Re: home experiment
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2008, 03:13:49 PM »
This forum does have an option available to you to edit previous posts, ya know.
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Re: home experiment
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2008, 03:17:04 PM »
Cu(II)SO4-2+5H2O + H2O + 3Mg+2 + 6KI ->  3MgO + 3K2O + I + Cu(III)SO4-2 + 6H2

oops ok i didnt know thanks emm would it be something like this? will the Mg an K take the oxygen out of th sulphate to???

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Re: home experiment
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2008, 03:44:29 PM »
Well, lets try to break it down some.  First off, since this reaction occurs in aqueous solution, the 5 H2O molecules attached to each CuSO4 don't really have to be accounted for, not while surrounded by the rest of the water.

You started with:

CuSO4 and Mg, right, what should have started to happen?  Hint:look up a table of electronegativity.
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Re: home experiment
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2008, 03:51:06 PM »
a right th Mg changes Cu(II) to something hold on im still reading

by the way im 15 so ive not bein doing chemistry long lol
Mg is 1,83 and Cu is 1,65 what ever that means lol :) (im trying here)

im sorry i dont get the electronegativity :) but what i do know is the electron from the Mg go to the Cu because the Mg is higher in the E.C.S so does Cu (II) become Cu(IIII) <<< i think thats impossible but im just guessin here
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Re: home experiment
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2008, 04:38:27 PM »
Look at the table of electronegativities.  At one end is gold and platinum, you see those all the time, they're always shiny, you'll often see copper and iron around as well, often, not as shiny.  Look at the other end, metals like sodium and potassium, you don't see those lying around often, do you?  Where do copper and magnesium fit in the sequence?  And what are they closer to?

by the way im 15 so ive not bein doing chemistry long lol

Not to worry, the laws of chemistry remain the same no matter how old you are. ;)

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Mg is 1,83 and Cu is 1,65 what ever that means lol :) (im trying here)

im sorry i dont get the electronegativity :) but what i do know is the electron from the Mg go to the Cu because the Mg is higher in the E.C.S so does Cu (II) become Cu(IIII) <<< i think thats impossible but im just guessin here

Nope, that's not what happens, but you're trying.  Read up a bit, and then come on back with some other theories.
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Re: home experiment
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2008, 04:57:21 PM »
ok Mg is right up the left beside K which is furthest left and Cu is sort in the middle we btty right o the middle
and yeah i know that metal like potassium are very reactive with oxygen and are never found in there pure form and gold is very unreactive and doesnt react with oxygen
so oooooooo.. magnesium wont be touched because there is a bigger gap between potassium and copper??
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Re: home experiment
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2008, 05:14:40 PM »
ok Mg is right up the left beside K which is furthest left and Cu is sort in the middle we btty right o the middle
and yeah i know that metal like potassium are very reactive with oxygen and are never found in there pure form and gold is very unreactive and doesnt react with oxygen

So close ...

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so oooooooo.. magnesium wont be touched because there is a bigger gap between potassium and copper??

And yet so far.
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Re: home experiment
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2008, 05:47:46 PM »
OOOOOOOOOOOO potassium will just react with the oxygen in the water!! and magnesium will react with the copper and the oxygen in the water

man your making a bigger fool of me than im making of myself lol :)

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Re: home experiment
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2008, 05:48:49 PM »
No, write a single replacement reaction.
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