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Offline dmk007

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Manufacture of ammonia??
« on: July 07, 2008, 08:26:29 AM »
In the manufacture of ammonia, a mixture of nitrogen and hydrogen in the proportion of one to three by volume at a pressure of 60 atmospheres and at a temperature of 450K gave an equilibrium mixture containing 12% ammonia. Calculate Kp at this temperature.

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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 08:35:32 AM »
Write out the reversible reaction equation and ICE table.
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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 08:50:44 AM »
still don't understand

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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 10:13:19 AM »
It's almost the same as the other question you posted, try it out first  :)
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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 11:21:00 AM »
In the manufacture of ammonia, a mixture of nitrogen and hydrogen in the proportion of one to three by volume at a pressure of 60 atmospheres and at a temperature of 450K gave an equilibrium mixture containing 12% ammonia. Calculate Kp at this temperature.

hi ,

nbefore = 1 mol , V = const

       N2(g)     +      3H2(g)     <==>     2NH3(g)
bf    0,25             0,75                    0
[]    0,25 - x       0,75 - 3x               2x

nafter = 0,25 - x + 0,75 - 3x + 2x = 1 - 2x

PV = nRT
---> P1V = 1.0,082.450  ---> V = 36,9 : 60 = 0,615 (l)
---> P2V = (1 - 2x).0,082.450
---> P2.0,615 = (1 - 2x).36,9

'cause nNH3 = 12% . nafter = 12%(1- 2x)
---> 2x = 12%(1-2x)
---> x
---> Kp = (2x)2/{(0,25-x)(0,75-3x)3}

Kp = 0,286

is that true   ???

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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 12:05:52 PM »
The answer was given as 6.324 x 10^-5 ???

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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 12:11:58 PM »
oh , i'm wrong  :(

in ICE table , i have to divide for V

x = 0,0536 mol

---> Kp = {(2x/0,0615)2}/{(0,25-x)(0,75-3x)3/(0,615)4}

Kp  = 0,62


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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 01:56:55 PM »
I got 7.93 x 10^-5, hmm..
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Re: Manufacture of ammonia??
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 11:44:02 PM »
I think that the decrease in pressure leads to the decrease in volume and versus ( in this case). Hence, with the rate 1:3 in volume, deduce to the rate 1:3 in pressure, call x as the volumes of N2 has reacted then we can calculate it then imply to the Pressure constant.
Kp = PN2xPH23/PNH32
But in fact, the result I get was similar to Astrokel. I'm wondering whether there is any limitations to the significant digits.
@dedanh: the data above doesn't give you any data about the moles, you can't assume the original mole number is 1 and use the ideal gas equation. Moreover, remember you can't neglect the Van der Waals force in low temperature and high pressure
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