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Hybridizations
« on: October 14, 2008, 11:56:14 AM »
I'm trying to do homework that was never explained in class and that our book only explains and doesn't give any examples for.  ???

What hybridization would you expect for:
BH4-

I know how to write the dot structures and the configurations, but after that I have no idea what to do. I understand that its combining orbitals or something, but....

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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 12:08:32 PM »
hey student8607,

you would like to read this first: http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=28447.msg107830#msg107830
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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 12:50:03 PM »
wow this is why i love this forum
you guys say in 2 sentences what my book takes 8 pages to equivocate

just to double check:
BH4^- --> sp3 because 4 bonds & 0 lone pairs
HCO2^- --> sp2 because 3 bonds & 0 lone pairs
CH3^+ --> sp3 because 3 bonds & 1 lone pair
CH3^- --> sp3 because 3 bonds and 1 lone pair

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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 01:02:10 PM »
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CH3^+ --> sp3 because 3 bonds & 1 lone pair
I think you make a slight careless mistake in this. The rest are correct, good try. :)
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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 01:32:21 PM »
I was a little confused with that one, even with doing the dot structure.

1. 4valence of carbon + 3valence for the hydrogens - 1valence since it is a + = 6 total valence available
2. need 6valence for the hydogens and 8valence for the carbon= 14 total needed
3. 14-6=8 need bonds
4. 8/2 = 4 bonds
but how can I form 4 bonds when each H will only have a single bond?

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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 01:40:44 PM »
I don't quite understand your working, CH3+ should be sp2 hybdridised as carbon will form 3 single bond with each hydrogen atom also there is 0 lone pair due to the positive charge.
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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 01:48:40 PM »
But then Carbon wont have an octet?

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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2008, 03:07:22 PM »
It won't.
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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2008, 04:21:08 PM »
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But then Carbon wont have an octet?

It won't as Borek mentioned, but it is not really a matter of stable electronic configuration or not.
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Re: Hybridizations
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2008, 05:03:38 PM »
OK. Understand now. Thanks guys

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