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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2005, 11:47:43 PM »
for aryl ethers, simple koh followed by methyl iodide (or eq)...or dimtheyl sulfate (or equiv) could be used.

for alkyl ethers, use williamson ether synth.

This would be to make the ether, not cleave it, yes?

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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2005, 11:58:15 PM »
Okay, tough one:

Benzyl alcohol to methyl benzoate in one step.

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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2005, 01:21:06 PM »
Br-benzene +Mg+ Br-allyl
BH3/HOOH/OH
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woa back up a minute here, why don't you show us a diagram (using chemical software).  I'm guessing that you would want the grinard complex to attack the terminal halogenated carbon right?  It would probably work, being a terminal allyl carbon.  However, have we considered whether the double bond would be a problem?

could Br-benzene+Mg+Br-allyl be completed within one experimental step?

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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2005, 01:26:45 PM »
Okay, tough one:

Benzyl alcohol to methyl benzoate in one step.

I've seen this in Designing Organic Synthesis, unfortunately I don't have the book with me.  It's quite simple really, from what I remember, some sort of modified oxidation, with a little twist from the standard.

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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2005, 08:47:04 PM »
To GCT   ;)

1. sorry, havent downloaded chemdraw on this computer
2. gringards readily participate in SN2 reactions such as the one I mentioned...gringard is the nucleophile, allyl bromide is the electrophile. this rxn would have to be done in THF, as SN2 substitutions are best carried out in polar aprotic solvents.
2. gringards do not react with double bonds.. that's just a fact of organic chemistry :)...double bonds can react with a number of lewis acids, but not lewis bases!!!
3. now, why dont you propose a new question for us ???

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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2005, 09:03:51 PM »
GCT--
this may work in -'one pot'...
KmnO4/ OH will give the carboxylate salt...,
adding diazo methane in situ would give methyl benzoate (as diazo methane and carboxylates are known to give esters, and release N2.
I am sure that there are more elegant ways to affect this transformation :'(

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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2005, 01:34:06 AM »
2. gringards do not react with double bonds.. that's just a fact of organic chemistry :)...double bonds can react with a number of lewis acids, but not lewis bases!!!

Well, this is sort of a special case because there is the possibility of an SN2' attack on allyl bromide as well.  That would involve the Grignard reagent reacting with the allyl group.  Hard to tell the difference between the two mechanisms though because the product is the same.  You might be able to differentiate the two attacks with a deutero labelled allyl bromide.

Also, the magnesium ion is a pretty good Lewis acid, so don't discount Grignard reagents as solely Lewis bases.

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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2005, 03:05:37 PM »
GCT--
this may work in -'one pot'...
KmnO4/ OH will give the carboxylate salt...,
adding diazo methane in situ would give methyl benzoate (as diazo methane and carboxylates are known to give esters, and release N2.
I am sure that there are more elegant ways to affect this transformation :'(

hmm....pretty neat, I'll have to look into this a bit more.  Movies, is this what you had in mind?  Let's resolve this brainteaser before moving on.

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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2005, 11:55:55 PM »
come on, movies...do tell...
benzyl alcohol to methyl benzoate ???

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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2005, 02:04:52 PM »
come on, movies...do tell...
benzyl alcohol to methyl benzoate ???

He's actually gone for the moment, will be back monday or perhaps tuesday at the latest.  Guess we'll need to wait till then

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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2005, 04:46:04 PM »
Sorry, was out of town for the weekend.  The reaction I was thinking of is a modified procedure for benzyllic oxidation with MnO2.  If you run the reaction in methanol solvent with added sodium cyanide, then the methyl ester is formed in one reaction process.  A neat trick, I think.

Corey first reported this (J. Am. Chem. Soc. 1968, 90, 5616-5617).

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2005, 10:41:42 PM »
Very neat, indeed.  We should expect nothing less from Corey: (He's still going strong at Harvard as we speak.)
Can we work through the mechanism:: ;)
1. benzyl alcohol to benzaldehyde
2. addition of cyanide to the carbonyl (aldol rxn)
3. anionic oxygen the previously was carbonyl oxygen takes a proton from methanol
4. methoxide attacks the cyano group of the aldol adduct
5. the now negatively charges N of the previous cyano group takes the proton from the OH at the benzyl position...

6. Any suggestions for the rest of the mechanism/ and or corrections for the fisrt part??

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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2005, 02:42:49 AM »
Well, first of the cyanide addition isn't an aldol process, it's a Strecker type addition, but regardless it's okay up to that point.  The key is the once the cyanide adds into the aldehyde you have what amounts to a benzyl alcohol derivative, which is again oxidized by MnO2.  The product is an acyl cyanide, which is quite reactive (see Mander's Reagent).  It turns out that CN- is a better leaving group than MeO-, so methanol exchanges in a process similar to trans-esterification.

The mechanism for oxidation by MnO2 in itself is pretty interesting.  Anyone care to take a stab at it?

Mander's reagent reference: Tetrahedron Lett. 1983, 24, 5425-5428.

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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2005, 08:01:05 AM »
I like IT!!
sorry about the aldol reference.
i didnt take into acct that MnO2 would be coming into play a second time.

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Re:3-phenylpropanal
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2005, 11:38:43 AM »
I like IT!!
sorry about the aldol reference.
i didnt take into acct that MnO2 would be coming into play a second time.

Heh.  It's a tricky one indeed.  MnO2 is such a poor oxidant that you usually have to use around 5 equivalents of it, even for a regular alcohol oxidation (to a ketone or aldehyde).

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