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Polyprotic acid with strong base
« on: December 24, 2008, 03:03:31 PM »
Sorry about my english:

need to calculate the pH of 2 solutions mixed together:

120 ml H3PO4 0.15 Normal
40 ml KOH 0.4 Molar

Ka1 = 7.5 x 10^-3
Ka2 = 6.2 x 10^-8
Ka3 = 4.8 x 10^-13

What I did, but apparently is incorrect:

0.15 N ---> 0.05 M ---> 0.006 moles of the acid
0.016 moles of the base - 0.006 = 0.01
and I found the [OH-] and then the [H3O+]. But - my answer is slightly different then the one in the book, and secondly I did not use the Ka's.

So, any suggestions of the steps I should take ?
What reactions are taking place here ?

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Polyprotic acid with strong base
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2008, 04:43:01 PM »
What reactions are taking place here ?

You tell us what hqappens when you mix acid and base.

Have you heard about buffer solutions?
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Re: Polyprotic acid with strong base
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2008, 05:01:29 PM »
Absolutely yes, but still can't figure this one out. I know the Henderson–Hasselbalch equation, But I really can't figure out what's going on here or in other words: how to approach to this problem. Once someone will help me out I'm sure I'd do better alone next times. Thanks!

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Re: Polyprotic acid with strong base
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 06:37:34 PM »
From the Ka values you can construct a titration curve to find the pH as the reaction reaches its end-point. Do you see a strong acid? What reactions will happen first?

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Re: Polyprotic acid with strong base
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 08:18:15 PM »
Nope, I see a weak acid and a strong base. I don't know what reactions take place and which one happens first. I am too confuse so I won't try to guess. I want to start from scratch. What should I do first ? and how ?

If someone can give some guidance lines that would be great, because I'm not so sure in myself.
Thanks again, you're great guys.

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Re: Polyprotic acid with strong base
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 08:29:50 PM »
The first thing you need to do is write out all of the dissociation reactions. Heck I'll even give you the second thing you need to; write out all pertinent equilibrium equations. 

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Re: Polyprotic acid with strong base
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 08:58:58 PM »
Yeah, well, I asked what are they, that was my problem, didn't know them. But I'm happy to say I solved the problem ! So thanks to all anyways !  ;D

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Re: Polyprotic acid with strong base
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2008, 04:59:51 AM »
Neutralization was a key word here.
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