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Offline spirochete

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Group theory: Symmetry elements of H2O2
« on: February 14, 2009, 12:29:49 PM »
Why does my book say that hydrogen peroxide only has a C2 (180 degree rotation) symmetry element. 

This means they are giving it the lowest possible conformation for symmetry.  In a higher symmetry conformation it could have two mirror planes and at least one more rotational axis.  This is the opposite of how I learned to identify symmetry elements in organic chemistry. 

What gives?

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Re: Group theory: Symmetry elements of H2O2
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2009, 04:07:32 PM »
Its been a long time since I did this (so could be way off) but look at the molecule in 3D - the lone pairs on the oxygens hinder free rotation. In a Fischer projection, the hydrogens are staggered. The eclipse form may be too thermodynamically unstable.

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Re: Group theory: Symmetry elements of H2O2
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2009, 08:58:51 AM »
yes, the equilibrium conformation of H2O2 is not planar
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Re: Group theory: Symmetry elements of H2O2
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 12:15:51 PM »
Interesting.  From steric arguments you'd expect a full anti conformation.  I wonder if the deviation from this is caused by the favorable interaction between the oxygen lone pair and the O-H antibonding orbital.

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Re: Group theory: Symmetry elements of H2O2
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 06:36:03 AM »
i always took it for granted ... :)
but i guess it has to be an electronic reason
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