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How to determine molar solubility using activites
« on: March 01, 2009, 12:33:13 AM »
How can I determine from concentrations and then activites the molar solubility of La(IO3)3 in 0.100 M NaNO3, 0.100 M NaIO3, and 0.100 M La(NO3)3?

I can find the Activiy coefficents for the ions with the extended Debye-Huckel equation and a table. I realize how the activity coeffiecent applies to the equilibrium constant, but I fail to see how to solve this. Does it have something to do with Ksp?

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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2009, 09:10:52 AM »
Does it have something to do with Ksp?

Yes.
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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 10:55:42 PM »

The Ksp of La(IO3)3 is 1.0X10^-11, so without using activities, do i set this equal to (X)(.10) to solve from the concentrations?
Without taking the activities into consideration, would the solubility be the same for all of them?

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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 02:20:59 AM »
NaNO3 gives you only pure ionic strenght effect, but the other salts also the common ion effect.
Moreover, extended Debye-Huckel method has some limits for ionic strenght.





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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 08:55:37 PM »
I am still a bit confused on how to approach this...

Could you set up the equilibrium expressions for the Ksp?

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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 02:56:57 AM »
Write Ksp for La(IO3)3.
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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 04:04:01 AM »
La(IO3)3 <--> La(3+) + (IO3)3(3-)  Ksp= 1.0X10^-11

I am still not making the connection on how to apply this to the problem.
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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 04:57:33 AM »
La(IO3)3 <--> La(3+) + (IO3)3(3-)  Ksp= 1.0X10^-11

This is not Ksp formula, sorry for not being clear.

Write Ksp formula, show how you will use it to calculate molar solubility of solid La(IO3)3 in pure water.
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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 06:36:12 PM »
La(IO3)3 <--> La(3+) + (IO3)3(3-)  Ksp= 1.0X10^-11

This is not Ksp formula, sorry for not being clear.

Write Ksp formula, show how you will use it to calculate molar solubility of solid La(IO3)3 in pure water.

So Ksp= [La][IO3]^3= 1.0X10^-11

so in pure water the solubility would be 1.0X10^-11= (X)(3X)^3, x=.00014938 M

Would this be the same molar solubility in .100 M NaNO3 because there is no common ion?

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Re: How to determine molar solubility using activites
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 03:25:48 AM »
That's where the activities kick in.

Note, that other cases will require you to take care of more effects.
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