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Designing Buffers
« on: March 01, 2009, 06:21:17 PM »
I am to designer a buffer for
0.01M H2PO4-/HPO42- buffer with a pH of 7.2

STEP #1 determine ratio of HPO42- to H2PO4-

HPO42- / H2PO4- = Ka/H+

The Ka is given at 6.2 x 10-8
my H+ is 6.31 x 10-8

so: HPO42- = 0.983 x H2PO4-


STEP #2. determine individual concentrations

HPO42- = 0.983 x H2PO4- and HPO42- + H2PO4- = 0.01M

0.983 x H2PO4- + H2PO4- = 0.01

how am I to solve for the individual concentrations form this?

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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2009, 06:31:33 PM »
0.983 x H2PO4- + H2PO4- = 0.01

how am I to solve for the individual concentrations form this?

Looks to me like equation with one uknown. Simple algebra.
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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 07:17:05 PM »
It is a little daunting at first.  What you've done is determined relative concentrations of the two buffer components -- the acid and base.  To actually make the buffer, you have to determine what volume and final concentration to apply the ratio to.

I have to admit 'tho, I'm glad Borek: conformed your calculations, because I would have used a different formula.
Hey, I'm not judging.  I just like to shoot straight.  I'm a man of science.

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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 07:54:59 PM »
Oh. My brain was just fried  ??? after trying to figure this buffer concept out I guess.
I get 0.00509 for H2PO4-

so then 0.00500 for HPO42-

STEP #3: MiVi=MfVf

0.00509M x 100mL = 0.1M x ?mL --> 5.09mL of H2PO4-
0.00500M x 100mL = 0.1M x ?mL --> 5.00mL of HPO42-

Does that look correct?

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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 02:41:12 AM »
I have not checked the numbers thoroughly, I can just confirm that they look reasonable - pKa2 for phopsphoric acid is around 7.2 so to prepare pH=7.2 buffer you need almost identical amounts of acid and conjugate base, 5.00 vs 5.09 is just that - almost identical.
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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 07:54:18 AM »
Oh. My brain was just fried  ??? after trying to figure this buffer concept out I guess.
I get 0.00509 for H2PO4-

so then 0.00500 for HPO42-

STEP #3: MiVi=MfVf

0.00509M x 100mL = 0.1M x ?mL --> 5.09mL of H2PO4-
0.00500M x 100mL = 0.1M x ?mL --> 5.00mL of HPO42-

Does that look correct?
From a formal point of view your calculations are incorrect, since sum of both concentrations should be exactly 0.01! So concentrations should be 0.0504 and 0.0496 M
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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 09:20:02 AM »
Can you pinpoint where I might have made a mistake?

The steps I got right out of our lab manual?

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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 09:35:02 AM »
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0.983 x H2PO4- + H2PO4- = 0.01
I calclulated these number from this eqation
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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 09:42:16 AM »
0.983 x H2PO4- + H2PO4- = 0.01

How?

0.01/0.983 = 0.0107

then you have x + x = 0.0107
divide by two?
0.00509

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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 09:53:15 AM »
0.983 x H2PO4- + H2PO4- = 0.01

How?

0.01/0.983 = 0.0107

then you have x + x = 0.0107
divide by two?
0.00509

Not quite.

You have something of the form ax + x = b, how do you solve for x? Factorise; so x(a + 1) = b, and so x = b/(a + 1)

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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 12:13:25 PM »
Not quite.

You have something of the form ax + x = b, how do you solve for x? Factorise; so x(a + 1) = b, and so x = b/(a + 1)

so
x = 0.01/(0.983+1)

I get 0.00504M for H2PO4-
& HPO42- is 0.00496.

I still seem to be 1 decimal off from AWK's answer?

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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 02:11:02 PM »
It must have been a typo on his side.
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Re: Designing Buffers
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 02:16:30 PM »
Alrighty. Thanks everyone.

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