April 26, 2024, 07:25:00 AM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Calculating the amount of base needed to get to a certain H+ concentration?  (Read 9970 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline o1ocups

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 97
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
"What amount of solid NaOH must be added to 1.0 L of a 0.12 M H2CO3 solution to produce a solution with [H+] = 3.5×10^-11 ? There is no significant volume change as the result of the addition of the solid."

How do I approach this problem? I know it has something to do with working backwards with the value of Ka (I looked it up, it's 4.3*10^-7 for H2CO3) using [H+], but I don't know. I think I am thinking about buffer questions. Can anyone give me a hint on how to start solving this problem? Thanks!!

Offline Borek

  • Mr. pH
  • Administrator
  • Deity Member
  • *
  • Posts: 27664
  • Mole Snacks: +1801/-410
  • Gender: Male
  • I am known to be occasionally wrong.
    • Chembuddy
ChemBuddy chemical calculators - stoichiometry, pH, concentration, buffer preparation, titrations.info

Offline o1ocups

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 97
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
Quote
Think what reactions take place when you add NaOH.

That's what I couldn't figure out. I can write a buffer equation for H2CO3 though:
H2CO3 + H2O <-> HCO3- + H3O+   ???

Offline Borek

  • Mr. pH
  • Administrator
  • Deity Member
  • *
  • Posts: 27664
  • Mole Snacks: +1801/-410
  • Gender: Male
  • I am known to be occasionally wrong.
    • Chembuddy
Will you be able to solve the question if you were asked to prepare carbonate buffer mixing NaHCO3 with Na2CO3?
ChemBuddy chemical calculators - stoichiometry, pH, concentration, buffer preparation, titrations.info

Offline o1ocups

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 97
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
OK, with some help from my friend, here is what I did:

So apparently there are two deprotenations, I am not sure but I calculated the second ones:
pH = pka2 + log ([CO3 2-]/[HCO3-])
-log(3.5*10^-11) = 10.25 + log ([CO3 2-]/[HCO3-])
10.46-10.25 = log ([CO3 2-]/[HCO3-])
10^0.21 = [CO3 2-]/[HCO3-] = 1.622
1.622 = (CO3 2-) / 0.1-(CO3 2-)
CO3 2- = 0.06164
multiply that by 1 L, moles CO3 2- = 0.06164
0.06164 + 0.1 = 0.16164
0.16164 * 39.99 = 6.47 grams NaOH

Is this right?  ??? I entered 6.46 before and it was wrong.
And as you can see I don't really understand what I did myself, so any clarification would be appreciated..

Edit: yeah and I don't know where she got the second value of pka either. That was really confusing to me.

Offline o1ocups

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 97
  • Mole Snacks: +0/-0
Uh nevermind I think I realized what I did. I used my friend's number (0.1) instead of mine! (0.12)

Offline Borek

  • Mr. pH
  • Administrator
  • Deity Member
  • *
  • Posts: 27664
  • Mole Snacks: +1801/-410
  • Gender: Male
  • I am known to be occasionally wrong.
    • Chembuddy
You have not shown the final result, so it is impossible to check, but approach seems correct.
ChemBuddy chemical calculators - stoichiometry, pH, concentration, buffer preparation, titrations.info

Sponsored Links