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super super saturated sodium
« on: March 25, 2009, 02:19:58 PM »
Hi, this is my first posting.
I hope you can help me out. Sodium chloride is highly soluble in water. A saturated solution has 6.2 M Na. Now my question: is it possible to dissolve more sodium in water (room temperature) than 6.2M? Perhaps using a combination of sodium salts?
I am looking forward to your answers. Thanks in advance.

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Re: super super saturated sodium
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 02:38:01 PM »
Hi, this is my first posting.
I hope you can help me out. Sodium chloride is highly soluble in water. A saturated solution has 6.2 M Na. Now my question: is it possible to dissolve more sodium in water (room temperature) than 6.2M?

It is easier to supersaturate some solute/solvent systems, than it is for others.  NaCl is not one that I recall is easy to keep supersaturated.

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Perhaps using a combination of sodium salts?

Because of the common ion effect, that suggestion actually makes a supersaturated solution less likely. 

Hey, I'm not judging.  I just like to shoot straight.  I'm a man of science.

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Re: super super saturated sodium
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 03:21:25 PM »
Hi, this is my first posting.
I hope you can help me out. Sodium chloride is highly soluble in water. A saturated solution has 6.2 M Na. Now my question: is it possible to dissolve more sodium in water (room temperature) than 6.2M? Perhaps using a combination of sodium salts?
I am looking forward to your answers. Thanks in advance.

Suzette
Ion activities is reduced in a solution with higher ionic strenght:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionic_strength

So, in a concentrated solution of KNO3 (for example) the solubility of a salt made of other ions (as NaCl) increases, with respect to pure water.

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Re: super super saturated sodium
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 03:45:59 PM »

Dear Suzette;

For example:
Sodium acetate:  ~9  molar:  76g/100ml, d= ~1.25 g/ml 25°C NOT supersaturaded!
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_acetate   
In the real supersaturated state at 25°C:  ~18 molar:  ~150g/100ml.

NaNO3:  ~10 molar 25°C

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Re: super super saturated sodium
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 05:35:42 PM »
Ion activities is reduced in a solution with higher ionic strenght:

Reduced at first, but goes up for higher ionic strengths.
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Re: super super saturated sodium
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 02:33:50 PM »

Dear Suzette;

For example:
Sodium acetate:  ~9  molar:  76g/100ml, d= ~1.25 g/ml 25°C NOT supersaturaded!
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_acetate   
In the real supersaturated state at 25°C:  ~18 molar:  ~150g/100ml.

NaNO3:  ~10 molar 25°C

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