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Offline Jasso66

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Question.
« on: April 28, 2009, 04:30:09 PM »
Hi. I have a little problem again.
In one of my homework there is asked how air is needed when burning 250kg propane gas (C3H6  ) completely in NTP-conditions.

The reaction is (in my opinion) 2C3H6 + 9O2 --> 6CO2 + 6H2

First you calculate the n(propane gas) and when you compare it with coefficien of n(oxygen) you get the n(oxygen) and use the n(O2)= V/Vm.(IMO again) I get still wrong answer. Correct answer is V(air)= 2,86x106l.

It would good if someone tells how to calculate this problem. I think that in this problem air=oxygen(O2).But it looks like it is not so.

Thank you very much beforehand               

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Re: Question.
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 04:33:44 PM »
Perhaps you need to take account of the fact that air doesn't just consist of oxygen - have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Earth%27s_atmosphere&oldid=286703854 for instance?

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Re: Question.
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 04:35:52 PM »
Propane is C3H8

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Re: Question.
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 04:39:14 PM »
Yep, I know that but it is quite hard to add up them into the reaction formula. Sorry,  the gas is propene. :)   

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Re: Question.
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 04:58:07 PM »

Dear Jasso66;

For STP I get 2.897 106 L Air (21% Oxygen).  I don’t know NTP.

For calculation I applied the recipe/scheme from the Topic "Stoichiometry Problem":   "Stoichiometry Problem (#23'025)"
Therein is also an Example Diagram: How to do a "Stoichiometry Problem".

Therein I used the molar Volume for Oxygen (= 22.71L/mol) for STP.

Good Luck!
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Re: Question.
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2009, 12:00:20 PM »
Thanks ARGOS++. NTP= Normal Temperature and Pressure

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Re: Question.
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 12:16:00 PM »
NTP= Normal Temperature and Pressure

No such thing as 'Normal'. Even STP is ambiguous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_conditions_for_temperature_and_pressure
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Re: Question.
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 06:01:31 PM »
first my friend the propane is C3H8 not C3H6 so you have to do the reaction
C3H8+5O2=>3CO2+4H2O
when you compare mols of propane (1) with mols of oxygen (5)

you must calculat number of mols of oxygen that react actullay

number of mols of propane = mass of propane/molecular wight of propane
n=0.25/44 = ??
now you can calculat the number of oxygen that actullay react

NTP = mean Pressure = 1 atm , Tempreature= 273  R = 0.082

from this equation you can react the volume of oxygen

V = n×R×T/P


I think this is the solution



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