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Finding the mass percentage of Al
« on: June 20, 2009, 05:56:25 AM »
A sample of alumina (Al2O3) contains iron as an impurity.Explain how you would determine the mass percentage of Al in the sample.You are supplied with aq. NaOH and HCl acid only,as reagents.


Since Al2O3 is an amphoteric oxide ,I thought of adding HCl first to the above mixture,to get the soluble chlorides of Al and Fe.
Al2O3 + 6 HCl  :rarrow: 2AlCl3 + 3H20
As for Fe I'm not sure if we get a ferrous or ferric chloride or even a complex,
Fe + 2HCl  :rarrow: FeCl2 + H2
2Fe +6HCl  :rarrow: 2FeCl3 + 3H2,
but I think all 3 are soluble.
Next,I thought of adding NaOH, but here too I'm a bit unsure if I should add excess NaOH or little NaOH,
With excess NaOH,Fe2+ and Fe3+, would precipitate as their hydroxides.
Al3+ would form soluble NaAlO2, but I have no idea how to get the mass percentage of Al from a solution of NaAlO2?

But , if I add little NaOH, I might get a precipitate of Al(OH)3,if it was a reversible reaction,but I don't know this for sure and soluble Fe(2+ or 3+?) hydroxide from ironchloride,I think.
But sooo... many assumptions,I'm  so confused... :-\

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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2009, 06:32:27 AM »
At first, iron will undergo to Fe2+ (to form Fe3+ is needed the oxidant).
Secondly, in my opinion you can (or even must) use a scales.

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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2009, 07:06:49 AM »
What if you start with dissolution in NaOH?
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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2009, 07:18:29 AM »

Hi Borek,
I guess,with excess NaOH,we would get NaAlO2 and a precipitate of ferrous hydroxide ,right?

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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 07:19:50 AM »
Is Fe soluble in NaOH solution?
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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 07:26:04 AM »
Hmm..now that you mention it,I'm not so sure,
I just checked my notes I have reactions for Fe2+ and Fe3+,with NaOH,but not for Fe. :(
Is it soluble? :)

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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 08:02:50 AM »
Ok,so I don't think Fe would even react with NaOH,cause I don't think NaOH would oxidise it.
So then we have sodium aluminate solution,Fe  solid and NaOH remaining.
Now do I add HNO3? well,that's the only reagent left so...
HNO3 would neutralise the excess NaOH.But what happens to the Fe and NaAlO2?
Oh... I really don't know.Now I'm even more confused :(


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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 09:10:55 AM »
Filtration perhaps?
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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 12:50:18 PM »
Ok,so I don't think Fe would even react with NaOH,cause I don't think NaOH would oxidise it.
So then we have sodium aluminate solution,Fe  solid and NaOH remaining.
Now do I add HNO3? well,that's the only reagent left so...
HNO3 would neutralise the excess NaOH.But what happens to the Fe and NaAlO2?
Oh... I really don't know.Now I'm even more confused :(


I meant HCl.For some reason I can't seem to edit my post.The modifying button's missing!

Filtration perhaps?

So when I filter,I get sodium aluminate and NaOH in the filtrate.Then I add HCl to this filtrate.The excess NaOH would get neutralised and hopefully the amount of HCl used won't affect the NaAlO2 present.And then I can weigh the solution of NaAlO2 and find the mass of Al present.
Does this sound okay?
Thanks
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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 01:26:40 PM »
Another hint: back titration.
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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 01:58:21 PM »
okay,so I backtitrate 25cm3 of the filtrate with HCl in the burette.Then at the endpoint,I can find the volume of unused NaOH,then... I can find the volume of (the known concentration of) NaOH that reacted with Al2O3.
Then with a little bit of stoichiometry,I can find the number of moles of Al2O3 and therefore the mass of Al.
Now does it sound ok?
Pleeease say yes

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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 02:02:34 PM »
But ,wait.To find the endpoint we have to use an indicator.
So doesn't an indicator also count as a reagent?

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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 02:25:12 PM »
indicator is neutral reagent....so it's not necessary to write it as reagent.

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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 02:31:04 PM »
I can't see any way of determining amounts without either indicator or balance.

So far so good. You have to deal with Fe now.
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Re: Finding the mass percentage of Al
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 11:52:18 PM »
Can we just weigh the sample of Al2O3 and Fe at first ,without adding any reagents,using a chemical balance?
So then we would have the mass percent of Al=(mass of Al/total mass of initial sample)*100 percent,
or do we have to find the mass of Fe seperately?by drying and weighing the residue of Fe,then,by adding both the masses of Al2O3 and Fe,we can find the mass percent

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