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3 questions (EQ. CONCENTRATION,KSP,ETC)
« on: July 16, 2009, 08:19:58 PM »
1. What is the concentration of silver(I)ion in a saturated solution of silver(I) carbonate containing .0022M Na2CO3. For Ag2CO3, Ksp=8.6*10^-12

I set up an ice table for Ag2CO3 <-> 2Ag+ + CO3 2-

(8.6*10^-12) = [2x]^2[.0022]

The 2x is supposed to be there right? if i drop the 2.. I get the correct answer for x, which is 6.3*10^-5..
but i don't think im supposed to just drop it.. ?? am i missing something here?

2. What is the concentration of HC2O4- in a .270M oxalic acid, H2C2O4? For Oxalic acid, Ka1 = 5.6*10^-2 and Ka2=5.1*10^-5.

So I set up two reactions
a)H2C2O4 + H2O - > H3O+ + HC2O4-
b)HC2O4- + H20 - > H3O+ + C2O4^(2-)

I solved for x in a) and got x = .123
then i set the .123 as the initial concentration for b) HC2O4- and solved for y but keep getting 1.2*10^-1. Answer key says 9.8*10^-2.

3. Suppose NaOH is added to .0099M solution of zinc nitrate such that the pH of the solution is 13.19. What is the eq. concentration of Zn2+ ?

The formation reaction for Zn(OH4)-2 is given and Kf = 2.8*10^15..

I wrote it the other way and wrote down Kd = (1/Kf)

I set the complex ion initial concentration as .0099 and Zn2+ as 0 and 4OH- as .15 ((got .15 from calculating [OH]- from the ph 13.19 given)) Proceeded and got the wrong answer

Someone please *delete me*! I have an exam tomorrow (questions given today for practice)

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Re: 3 questions (EQ. CONCENTRATION,KSP,ETC)
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2009, 02:37:08 AM »
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2. What is the concentration of HC2O4- in a .270M oxalic acid, H2C2O4? For Oxalic acid, Ka1 = 5.6*10^-2 and Ka2=5.1*10^-5.

So I set up two reactions
a)H2C2O4 + H2O - > H3O+ + HC2O4-
b)HC2O4- + H20 - > H3O+ + C2O4^(2-)

I solved for x in a) and got x = .123
then i set the .123  as the initial concentration for b) HC2O4- and solved for y but keep getting 1.2*10^-1. Answer key says 9.8*10^-2.

Initial concentration is 0.270 M
Use quadratic equation based only on Ka1

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3. Suppose NaOH is added to .0099M solution of zinc nitrate such that the pH of the solution is 13.19. What is the eq. concentration of Zn2+ ?

The formation reaction for Zn(OH4)-2 is given and Kf = 2.8*10^15..

I wrote it the other way and wrote down Kd = (1/Kf)

I set the complex ion initial concentration as .0099 and Zn2+ as 0 and 4OH- as .15 ((got .15 from calculating [OH]- from the ph 13.19 given)) Proceeded and got the wrong answer

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3. Suppose NaOH is added to .0099M solution of zinc nitrate such that the pH of the solution is 13.19. What is the eq. concentration of Zn2+ ?

The formation reaction for Zn(OH4)-2 is given and Kf = 2.8*10^15..

I wrote it the other way and wrote down Kd = (1/Kf)

I set the complex ion initial concentration as .0099 and Zn2+ as 0 and 4OH- as .15 ((got .15 from calculating [OH]- from the ph 13.19 given)) Proceeded and got the wrong answer
I cannot check your calculations
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Re: 3 questions (EQ. CONCENTRATION,KSP,ETC)
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2009, 02:44:21 AM »
1. What is the concentration of silver(I)ion in a saturated solution of silver(I) carbonate containing .0022M Na2CO3. For Ag2CO3, Ksp=8.6*10^-12

I set up an ice table for Ag2CO3 <-> 2Ag+ + CO3 2-

(8.6*10^-12) = [2x]^2[.0022]

The 2x is supposed to be there right? if i drop the 2.. I get the correct answer for x, which is 6.3*10^-5..
but i don't think im supposed to just drop it.. ?? am i missing something here?

All depends on what x is - it can be Ag+ concentration, it can be Ag2CO3 solubility. Not knowing what and how you did it is hard to say whether you should put 2 or not. However, if you have used just Ksp equation (seems you did) x stands just for [Ag+].

I can't see where you have used ICE table here.

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2. What is the concentration of HC2O4- in a .270M oxalic acid, H2C2O4? For Oxalic acid, Ka1 = 5.6*10^-2 and Ka2=5.1*10^-5.

So I set up two reactions
a)H2C2O4 + H2O - > H3O+ + HC2O4-
b)HC2O4- + H20 - > H3O+ + C2O4^(2-)

I solved for x in a) and got x = .123
then i set the .123 as the initial concentration for b) HC2O4- and solved for y but keep getting 1.2*10^-1. Answer key says 9.8*10^-2.

Sorry - I am not a mindreader. I have no idea what x and y are. You must be more specific.

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3. Suppose NaOH is added to .0099M solution of zinc nitrate such that the pH of the solution is 13.19. What is the eq. concentration of Zn2+ ?

The formation reaction for Zn(OH4)-2 is given and Kf = 2.8*10^15..

I wrote it the other way and wrote down Kd = (1/Kf)

I set the complex ion initial concentration as .0099 and Zn2+ as 0 and 4OH- as .15 ((got .15 from calculating [OH]- from the ph 13.19 given)) Proceeded and got the wrong answer

Approach seems correct (no idea why you prefer to use Kd instead of Kf - it boils to exactly the same - but that should not interfere with the final result). Not seeing your calculations it is hard to say what went wrong.
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