September 29, 2020, 01:57:54 PM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )  (Read 15372 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

gwx

  • Guest
Hey...

I do know that wasp stings are alkaline...

And vinegar consists of acetic acid, which is actually acidic...

So can't vinegar counteract the effects of wasp stings?!!

The whole question goes :

"An old chemistry textbook contains the sentence : "Sodium hydrogencarbonate is used to counteract the effect of bee stings"

(i) What can be deduced from this statement about sodium hydrogencarbonate?
(ii) Suggest why vinegar is not effective against wasp stings "

For part (i), if bee stings are acidic, then sodium hydrogencarbonate should be alkaline? Am i right???

For part (ii), I don't know. So I'm asking here...  Dont acid and alkalis neturalise!! ???

Offline xiankai

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 786
  • Mole Snacks: +77/-37
  • Gender: Male
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2005, 08:11:23 AM »
i) sodium bicarbonate is baking soda as far as i know, and its alkaline, yes.

ii) and vinegar is a weak acid, so it may not be completely effective.

in acetic acid (full name is ethanoic acid), for every 1000 molecules of it that are dissociated, only 3 hydrogen ions are displaced(or something like that)
one learns best by teaching

gwx

  • Guest
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2005, 11:55:26 AM »
Hmmm not sure about that but I suspect its a typo  :-\
will ask my chem teacher soon, haha

Offline ATMyller

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 223
  • Mole Snacks: +31/-6
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2005, 03:32:23 AM »
I'm not sure about wasps, but bee's venom is supposed to be acidic because among other various poisons it contains formic acid.
Chemists do it periodically on table.

chemistrykid

  • Guest
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2005, 09:23:25 AM »
Bleach should help it, because bleach contains NaOH, which is alkaline, as we al know! :p

Offline Donaldson Tan

  • Editor, New Asia Republic
  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3178
  • Mole Snacks: +261/-12
  • Gender: Male
    • New Asia Republic
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 08:21:13 PM »
do not self-treat. go and see a doctor. a wasp sting isn't only formic acid. the sting comes with protein that causes your blood to coagulate and destroy your tissue as well.

even if wasp sting is acidic, treating it with bleach won't help. firstly, you might cause chemicai burn to yourself, by pouring bleach on the exposed flesh. Bleach actually contains sodium chloroate(I) and sodium hydroxide. chlorate(I) is a pretty strong oxidising agent. secondly, by aggrevating your wound, you increase your susceptibility to infection. thirdly, you might be allergic to wasp stings, in worst scenario, causes allergic shock, which may lead to death.

signs of 'shock':
1. feeling lerthagic, yet restless
2. pale and dry skin
3. rapid shallow breathing
4, rapid shallow pulse
5. delayed capillary refilled action when u pinch the fingernails.

Hope this helps  :animal_rooster:
« Last Edit: May 23, 2005, 08:22:48 PM by geodome »
"Say you're in a [chemical] plant and there's a snake on the floor. What are you going to do? Call a consultant? Get a meeting together to talk about which color is the snake? Employees should do one thing: walk over there and you step on the friggin� snake." - Jean-Pierre Garnier, CEO of Glaxosmithkline, June 2006

Offline constant thinker

  • mad scientist
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1275
  • Mole Snacks: +85/-45
  • Gender: Male
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2005, 04:34:20 PM »
I agree with geodome. From expierence you shouldn't use bleach at all. I got bleach on my foot when I cleaning my bath tub. It looked like a 3rd degree burn. It hurt and I had to walk on it. Also adrenaline is used to treat shock for bee stings I think. They would most likely give you a shot of this if you had an allergic reaction and went to the hospital.
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' " -Ronald Reagan

"I'm for anything that gets you through the night, be it prayer, tranquilizers, or a bottle of Jack Daniels." -Frank Sinatra

Offline billnotgatez

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4031
  • Mole Snacks: +215/-57
  • Gender: Male
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2005, 03:20:24 AM »
papain

Paste of vinegar/baking soda/meat tenderizer

http://slate.msn.com/id/2088863

Offline Donaldson Tan

  • Editor, New Asia Republic
  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3178
  • Mole Snacks: +261/-12
  • Gender: Male
    • New Asia Republic
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2005, 03:18:35 AM »
I agree with geodome. From expierence you shouldn't use bleach at all. I got bleach on my foot when I cleaning my bath tub. It looked like a 3rd degree burn. It hurt and I had to walk on it. Also adrenaline is used to treat shock for bee stings I think. They would most likely give you a shot of this if you had an allergic reaction and went to the hospital.

actually, they will give you promethazine injection to suppress any possible allergic reaction. i used to be a paramedic before I embark on my university study.
"Say you're in a [chemical] plant and there's a snake on the floor. What are you going to do? Call a consultant? Get a meeting together to talk about which color is the snake? Employees should do one thing: walk over there and you step on the friggin� snake." - Jean-Pierre Garnier, CEO of Glaxosmithkline, June 2006

Offline billnotgatez

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4031
  • Mole Snacks: +215/-57
  • Gender: Male
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2005, 01:18:39 PM »
geodome -

Did you read the link I provided with my last post?
Some home remedies do work - a doctor suggested to me to use papain mixed with water and it worked.

Regards,
Bill


Offline Donaldson Tan

  • Editor, New Asia Republic
  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3178
  • Mole Snacks: +261/-12
  • Gender: Male
    • New Asia Republic
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2005, 07:05:49 PM »
what is papain?
"Say you're in a [chemical] plant and there's a snake on the floor. What are you going to do? Call a consultant? Get a meeting together to talk about which color is the snake? Employees should do one thing: walk over there and you step on the friggin� snake." - Jean-Pierre Garnier, CEO of Glaxosmithkline, June 2006

Grafter

  • Guest
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2005, 07:27:33 PM »
From the site that billnotgatez referenced:

Quote
Chalk one up for the meat tenderizer, which contains papain, an enzyme found in papaya that supposedly breaks down the toxins in bee (and other) venom.

Offline billnotgatez

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4031
  • Mole Snacks: +215/-57
  • Gender: Male
Re:Why vinegar not effective against wasp stings ( weird question!! )
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2005, 06:05:50 AM »
Grafter -
Thank you for taking the time to read the link I posted.
Regards,
Bill

Sponsored Links