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Help with chemistry workbook
« on: October 29, 2009, 09:24:48 AM »
Hi!
I bought myself a chemistry workbook to have more work since I like chemistry, and I'm having some difficulties, so I'd like to talk about those exercises here, if you don't mind.
First of all, it's the first time I see a positive ion Li+ and negative ions HCO3- and H2PO4-, since none of the solubility tables I have include them...
So, what compounds, solutions Li+ makes with those two negative ions? What compounds with those two negative ions make positive ions H+, K+, Ca2+, Mg2+, Cu2+, Al3+
Please help me  ???, I don't think that for example Li+ + HCO3-  :rarrow: LiHCO3 or am I wrong?

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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 09:43:57 AM »
Not sure what you are asking about - Li+ is in many aspects similar to Na+, K+  and so on - after all, it is just a cation of alkali metal. Almost all salts are made of metal cation and acid anion.

Almost all salts, as protonated amines are not metals.
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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 09:49:13 AM »
Well then what about for example:
H+ + H2PO4-  :rarrow: H3PO4? Is this right?

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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 11:15:36 AM »
This reaction is usually written as

H3PO4 ::equil:: H+ + H2PO4-

and is a first step of the phosphoric acid dissociation.
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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 03:37:20 PM »
Ok. Thank you ;). But here's another, it says above "more difficult exercises" and it certainly is   :-\ :
How many molecules of acetic acid there are in one mililiter of its 80% solution (ρ=1.07 g/cm3)? Consider that acetic acid's ionization is very slight.
First of all, what does the last sentence mean? What does it change [slight ionization]?

Here's what I did:
What's given: ρ=1.07 g/cm3
V(solution's)=1 ml = 0.001 l
V(CH3COOH)=0.8 ml=0.0008 l (since it's 80% solution)
What to find: N(CH3COOH) - ?
Solution: m(CH3COOH)=ρ x V = 1.07 g/cm3 x 0.8 ml = 0.856 g.
M(CH3COOH)=12 + 3x1 + 12 + 16 + 16 + 1 = 60 g/mol
n(CH3COOH)=0.856 g / 60 g/mol = 0.014 mol
N(CH3COOH)= n x NA = 0.014 x 6.02 x 1023 mol-1=0.08428 x 1023 = 8.428 x 1025 molecules.

My answer does not match with the answer given in the workbook, the answer there is 8.59 x 1021 molecules.

What is my mistake?

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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 03:48:53 PM »
<< snip >>

=0.08428 x 1023 = 8.428 x 1025 molecules.

My answer does not match with the answer given in the workbook, the answer there is 8.59 x 1021 molecules.

What is my mistake?
One error is here

0.08428 x 1023 = 8.428 x 10-2 x 1023 = 8.428 x 1021

which is a lot closer to the given solution.

I haven't studied the rest of your answer in detail but are you sure you have handled the 80% correctly and performed the other calculations accurately ? (that's a guess as to where the other problem may lie)

Clive

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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 07:19:23 PM »
V(CH3COOH)=0.8 ml=0.0008 l (since it's 80% solution)

That would be correct for volume/volume percentage; this is most likely weight/weight, so you should calculate mass of the solution first.
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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 06:44:05 AM »
Ok,thank you ;). I got the right answer now.
Here's another, I'm COMPLETELY lost at this one, where do I even start?
After heating 4.92 grams of magnesium sulfate crystalohydrate 2.4 g of dry compound had been obtained. What is the formula of this crystalohydrate?
Now, again, I know that the answer is MgSO4 x 7H2O. But how do I get this answer?
Should it be something like this:
What's given: m(MgSO4 x xH2O) = 4.92 g
m(MgSO4)= 2.4 g
What to find: x - ?
Am I even close?

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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 09:45:08 AM »
Ok, I think I solved it, could you please check it?
Here's what I did:
After heating 4.92 grams of magnesium sulfate crystalohydrate 2.4 g of dry compound had been obtained. What is the formula of this crystalohydrate?
What's given: m(MgSO4 ∙ xH2O) = 4.92 g
m(MgSO4) = 2.4 g
m(xH2O) = 4.92 g - 2.4 g = 2.52 g
What to find: xH2O - ?
Solution: M(MgSO4) = 120 g/mol
M(H2O)=18 g/mol
n(MgSO4) = 2.4 g / 120 g/mol = 0.02 mol
n(H2O) = 2.52 g / 18 g/mol = 0.14 mol
n(MgSO4) : n(H2O) = 0.02 mol : 0.14 mol = 1 : 7
Answer: MgSO4 ∙ 7H2O

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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 11:56:12 AM »
Yep.
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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 01:39:57 PM »
Hey, I need help again:
Here's the exercise, it says:
Under each of the models write the symbol of the atom or ion.

So first I assumed that darker dots are protons, and the ones with pluses are electrons, so this way I'd just count the number of protons and look in the periodic table at the atomic number since it's the same as proton number, and just find out the symbol and then see how many eletrons it lost or gained and write the symbol of ion. But the third one in the first line doesn't even have those dots that I assumed were protons. So what is what?
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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 02:35:36 PM »
Looks stupid to me. Those with + are most likely protons, but it also looks like they used identical symbol for neutrons (mixed with protons) and electrons (orbiting around).
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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 02:47:39 PM »
So the answers would be: first - Be2-, but the second would be He? It can't be, it can't have a charge since it's inert gas... right? The third - H. The fourth should be Li2- but if I can remember correctly there's only Li+ ion? And the fifth B2-? Doesn't make much sense in my mind... I may ask the teacher, she has the answers for these workbooks...

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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 03:19:01 PM »
What are charges of protons, neutrons and electrons?
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Re: Help with chemistry workbook
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 03:39:37 PM »
As Borek has said check the number of protons compared with electrons to get the correct charge for the final answers.

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