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Chemical equation?
« on: November 09, 2009, 07:58:52 PM »
NaNO3 + HCl + NaI => ?
What is the chemical equation?


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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 05:08:17 AM »
Should there be a reaction between those chemicals?

You have an acid, HCl, but no base to react with. In water, they will just dissociate into anions and cations, for example NaI :rarrow: Na++I-. Sorry, I can't see anything more.

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 10:06:31 AM »
Thank you cth,
There is no water mixed with it... so would that still make it:
NaNO3 + HCl + NaI => Na + NO3 + H + Cl + Na + I
?


Also,

Ive been reading about redoxreaction and using oxidationnumbers. After reading this site http://magicalrubidium.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/lec_balancingredoxmrxn.pdf when mixing Zn and Hcl the oxidationnumbers look like this:

  0   +1-1     +2-1     0
 Zn + HCl => ZnCl2 + H2

So my understanding is that an atom in its elementary form has a 0 as oxidationnumber, but as an ion Zn has +2. Is that because it is with Cl ? And is H2 oxidationnumber 0 because it is alone?




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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 10:50:45 AM »
I didn't realise it was in solid state. I just assumed water would be the solvent.  :P But then, are you using HCl as a gas?!?  :o

In this case, you may have some ion exchange. For example, some Na+ from NaNO3 will move with the Cl- from HCl (I keep wondering how you can get HCl gas within the solid before it flies away... have you tried? It is a toxic gas) to form NaCl.
During the grinding, you can possibly have a bit of decomposition of NO3- into NO2 gas + O2- which will then form some oxides.

So, at the end after thoroughly grinding your solid, you should be left with a mixture of NaNO3, NaI, NaCl, Na2O and some gases released into the atmosphere.


An element has oxidation 0 when it has the same number of electrons and protons. If the element gains 1 electron, the oxidation number decrease by 1. If it loses one electron, the oxidation number increases by 1.
For ZnCl2, you have Zn2+ (oxidation +2) and Cl- (oxidation -1). Cl is more electronegative than Zn, so it takes one electron for itself.
For H2, the 2 electrons from the covalent bond are equally share between the two atoms  :rarrow: each hydrogen has one electron and one proton in its nucleus  :rarrow: oxidation 0.

As a general rule, in case of molecules made of only one element and electrically neutral, the element has an oxidation number of 0. Example: H2, N2, O2, S8,...

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 11:30:15 AM »
ok thanks for explaining :)
does this seem correct then?

+1-1    +1-1  +1-1     +1 -1    +1-1   +1-1   +1 -2
NaNO3 + HCl + NaI => NaNO3 + NaI + NaCl + Na2O

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 07:50:16 AM »
My teacher told me it wasnt completely correct.

He gave me the clue
NO3- + 4H+ + 3e-  => NO + 2H2O

Help??

NaNO3 + HCl + NaI => ?

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 08:14:42 AM »
What can be oxidized in the mixture?
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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 08:41:41 AM »
Iodine?

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 08:46:33 AM »
Go from here.
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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 08:56:47 AM »
NaNO3 + HCl + NaI => NaCl + NO2 + H2O + NaOH + I2  something like that?

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 09:20:02 AM »
NaOH? In the solution containing HCl?

Think net ionic.
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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 09:47:26 AM »
Im so confused... ???
would removing NaOH from the equation suffice? ;)

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 10:37:07 AM »
Im so confused... ???

Why? Just think if it makes sense to have NaOH between products if there is HCl around. Won't they react further?

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would removing NaOH from the equation suffice? ;)

Sure :P
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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 11:17:41 AM »


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would removing NaOH from the equation suffice? ;)

Sure :P
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 :o haha are you being facetious?

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Re: Chemical equation?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 11:57:41 AM »
:o haha are you being facetious?

Always. Even when I am serious.
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