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Re: stumped on a homework problem
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2009, 05:33:56 PM »
Mass balance - you are dissolving ammonium formate, at first for every HCOO- there is one NH4+ - so their concentrations are identical. Later some of the NH4+ react with OH- giving off ammonia - one molecule per each ion. Does sum of their concentrations change?
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Re: stumped on a homework problem
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2009, 06:30:32 PM »
no, the sums don't change i don't think

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Re: stumped on a homework problem
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2009, 06:34:15 PM »
so for the mass balance i got
[NH4] = [HCOO-] + [H2COO]

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Re: stumped on a homework problem
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 06:48:13 PM »
no, the sums don't change i don't think

Correct.

so for the mass balance i got
[NH4] = [HCOO-] + [H2COO]

That's a little bit off - you forgot about the ammonia. You did OK for the formate and formic acid, however, at that high pH (10) you can safely assume concentration of HCOOH to be neglectable (you may use the same approach you used for [NH4+]/[NH3] to check if that's OK).

At this stage you should be able to write three equations in three unknown - and solve.
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Re: stumped on a homework problem
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 07:17:32 PM »
i don't know why but i can't figure this out.

i have 5.69x10^-10 = [NH3(OH)][1.0x10^-10] / NH4+
   

1.757 x 10^-5 = [H2COO-][OH-] / [HCOO-]

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Re: stumped on a homework problem
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 07:33:02 PM »
haha sweet thanks i figured it out 2.2
thanks alot

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Re: stumped on a homework problem
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2009, 07:44:54 AM »
Looks OK.
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