April 27, 2024, 12:43:14 PM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Sn2 leaving group  (Read 8378 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

jean

  • Guest
Sn2 leaving group
« on: July 12, 2005, 01:06:28 PM »
I am quite confuzed with the order of the good leaving group ???

I think the order is that: F->Cl->Br->I->TosO->MsO-

The best leaving group is that best stabilize the negative charge----the weakest bases---the anions derived from the strongest acids.


But why the order is reversed. I am really quite confuzed be this. Please help me?
 ??? ??? ???

Offline movies

  • Organic Minion
  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1973
  • Mole Snacks: +222/-21
  • Gender: Male
  • Better living through chemistry!
Re:Sn2 leaving group
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2005, 02:03:23 PM »
For one thing, check out the bond energies.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2005, 02:03:45 PM by movies »

Offline Donaldson Tan

  • Editor, New Asia Republic
  • Retired Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3177
  • Mole Snacks: +261/-13
  • Gender: Male
    • New Asia Republic
Re:Sn2 leaving group
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 10:06:02 AM »
shouldn't the order be reverse?

the less reactive the leaving group, the better leaving group it is. TsO- is definitely more stable than fluoride. TsO- is somewhat similar to sulphate(VI) anion.
"Say you're in a [chemical] plant and there's a snake on the floor. What are you going to do? Call a consultant? Get a meeting together to talk about which color is the snake? Employees should do one thing: walk over there and you step on the friggin� snake." - Jean-Pierre Garnier, CEO of Glaxosmithkline, June 2006

Offline Winga

  • Chemist
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 510
  • Mole Snacks: +39/-10
Re:Sn2 leaving group
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 11:28:22 AM »
Besides bond energy, you can also think of the stability of the negative charged ions as you said.

What do you think about the charge density of F- ion?


Better the leaving groups, weaker the bases.

As you said weak bases are come from strong acids, therefore, which one is a stronger acid, HF or HI? (think about the bond energies)

Then, which one is a weaker base, F- or I-?
« Last Edit: July 15, 2005, 11:30:24 AM by Winga »

carl_pitt

  • Guest
Re:Sn2 leaving group
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2005, 08:20:21 PM »
better living group is weaker base = conjucated strong acid it means : OTS>I>Br>Cl>F
you can also think about a F with negative charge.that is unstable couse it has small size and high negative charge but Iodin with negative charge is more stable cause charge/size relation is smaller. ;)    :D

Sponsored Links