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oxidation states
« on: July 17, 2005, 02:28:18 AM »
UO22+ - Oxidation for U
As2O3 - Oxidation for As
NaBiO4 - Oxidation for Bi
HAsO2 - Oxidation for As
Na2S2O3 - Oxidation for S
XeOF4 - Oxidation for Xe
K4Fe(CN)6 - Oxidation for Fe
Mg2P2O7 - Oxidation for P
Na2C2O4 - Oxidation for C
Ca(NO3)2 - Oxidation for N

Ok these are the answers i have gotten by advice from some friends and from reading the book to the best of my ability. (from top to bottom)
-2
+3
+7
+3
+2
+3
-2
+6
+3
-2
Now, im calculating all of these as though they all make a net charge of 0 unless otherwise stated.  Im getting conflicting answers with some of these (such as the last one, and the one including iron) and i think it has to do with my order of operations that im using to solve this.  Any suggestsions or pointers would be greatly appreciated!

(And thank you to Borek for explaining the use of subscripts and superscripts! Lifesaver!!)

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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2005, 03:32:45 AM »
The first one should be +6
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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2005, 04:37:48 AM »
UO22+ - Oxidation for U

See Mitch answer.

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As2O3 - Oxidation for As

OK

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NaBiO4 - Oxidation for Bi

OK

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HAsO2 - Oxidation for As

OK

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Na2S2O3 - Oxidation for S

This one is tricky. There are two different types of S here. One is a central atom, second replaces one of oxygens (and can be assigned the same charge oxygen is usually assigned).

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XeOF4 - Oxidation for Xe

Check your math/show your calculation.

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K4Fe(CN)6 - Oxidation for Fe

Treat CN- as entity and don't look for individual charges of C and N.

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Mg2P2O7 - Oxidation for P

Check your math/show your calculation.

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Na2C2O4 - Oxidation for C

OK

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Ca(NO3)2 - Oxidation for N

Check your math/show your calculation. Try to calculate for HNO3 - central atom in acid group doesn't change its charge in salts.
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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2005, 06:49:36 AM »
since oxidation number assigns an imaginary "charge" to each atom, it is not neccesary for S in Na2S2O3 to have several charges. just the average will do. i think +2 would be ok.

as for the CN- thing, one main rule is that the atoms outlined in brackets have their own special charge, and this is where covalent bonding is displayed. so for common anions like CN-, NO-3, SO42-, u'll need to memorise their overall charge and not the charge of the individual atoms.
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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2005, 07:18:25 AM »
since oxidation number assigns an imaginary "charge" to each atom, it is not neccesary for S in Na2S2O3 to have several charges. just the average will do. i think +2 would be ok.

Pretty interesting approach :o.

What charges are you going to assign to Fe in prussian blue,  Fe4[Fe(CN)6 ]3?
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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2005, 12:15:32 PM »
wow thanks for the help.  For the ones that you asked to ssee my math lemme shwo you what i did.

6) (XeOF4) i assigned it as a equation equalling 0 so for oxygen i used -2 for the charge and for Fluroine i used -1, equation was X-2+(4*-1)=0 so that would be X-6=0 wich would make x=6.
8 ) (Mg2P2O7) assigned +2 charge for Magnesium, -2 charge for Oxygen, and solving for P so i set it up as (2*2)+(7*-2)+2x=0 --> 2X-10=0 -->2x=10 ---> X=5
10)(Ca(NO3)2) 2+2x-6 --> 2x-4=0 ---->2x=4 --->x=2

I dont know about the one that you said treat CN as a single entity..what does that mean for the charge that i should use on it then?  -1? Is there a general rule to follow for that compound?

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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2005, 12:40:13 PM »
alright i reworked some of those that i showed my work for and i got some different more appealing answers.

6)XeOF4 i got XE as a charge of +6
7) K4Fe(CN)6 i got Fe as a charge of +2
8 ) Mg2P2O7 i got P as a charge of +5
10) Ca(NO3)2 i got N as a charge of -2

i can show my math if needed...i cant eve ntell what i was doing wrong here, but its making more sense on the math now.

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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2005, 02:38:15 PM »
10)(Ca(NO3)2) 2+2x-6

-6?

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I dont know about the one that you said treat CN as a single entity..what does that mean for the charge that i should use on it then?  -1?

Yes.

For salts or complexes - in general - when you see entity like SO42- don't treat S and O seprately (unless you are asked about the charges that can be assigned to them) - treat whole group as -2.
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Re:oxidation states
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2005, 09:07:22 PM »
Pretty interesting approach :o.

What charges are you going to assign to Fe in prussian blue,  Fe4[Fe(CN)6 ]3?

u got me there :)

i'll concede defeat :-\
« Last Edit: July 17, 2005, 09:18:42 PM by xiankai »
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