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7.78 g sample of a mixture Nacl and NaHCO3 is heated and NaHCO3 decomposes into 2 NaHCO3(s)--> Na2CO3(s) + H20(g) + CO2(g)
NaCl is stable and does not react, after decomposition sample weights 5.93 g calculate percent by mass of NaCl in original mixture
answer is 35.2%
For some reason I keep getting the wrong answer.

5.93 grams= the mass of NaCl and Na2CO3(s) I beleive

and so 7.78-5.93= 1.85 grams of gas that is released. Because H2O and CO2 are in a 1:1 ratio 0.925 g is lost my each gas.( **side question if they were not 1:1 say 2H2O and 3 CO2..what would you divide each by to get individual mass of each gas)

so my thinking is.. mass of H20-->mols H20--->mol NaHCO3---> Mass NaHCO3
and than I would subtract the mass of NaHCO3 from 7.78 grams to get mass of NaCl in sample.

So I get 0.05135 mol of H2O *( 2 mol NaHCO3/1 mol H20)= 0.1027 mol NaHCO3

Molar mass of NaHCO3 =84.007g so multiply this by .1027 and you get 8.63g of NaHCO3
7.78-8.63g = negative mass of NaCl which makes no sence
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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 03:42:03 PM »
7.78 g sample of a mixture Nacl and NaHCO3 is heated and NaHCO3 decomposes into 2 NaHCO3(s)--> Na2CO3(s) + H20(g) + CO2(g)
NaCl is stable and does not react, after decomposition sample weights 5.93 g calculate percent by mass of NaCl in original mixture
answer is 35.2%
For some reason I keep getting the wrong answer.

5.93 grams= the mass of NaCl and Na2CO3(s) I beleive

Agreed

and so 7.78-5.93= 1.85 grams of gas that is released. Because H2O and CO2 are in a 1:1 ratio 0.925 g is lost my each gas.

Not agreed. If you had 1 mole of water, what mass would that be? And 1 mole of carbon dioxide? Is the mass ratio 1:1 in this case?

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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 03:50:19 PM »
7.78 g sample of a mixture Nacl and NaHCO3 is heated and NaHCO3 decomposes into 2 NaHCO3(s)--> Na2CO3(s) + H20(g) + CO2(g)
NaCl is stable and does not react, after decomposition sample weights 5.93 g calculate percent by mass of NaCl in original mixture
answer is 35.2%
For some reason I keep getting the wrong answer.

5.93 grams= the mass of NaCl and Na2CO3(s) I beleive

Agreed

and so 7.78-5.93= 1.85 grams of gas that is released. Because H2O and CO2 are in a 1:1 ratio 0.925 g is lost my each gas.

Not agreed. If you had 1 mole of water, what mass would that be? And 1 mole of carbon dioxide? Is the mass ratio 1:1 in this case?



it would be molar mass so 20.16 gram H20 and 44.01 grams CO2
Coefficient would not change outcome?

1 : 2.18  ratio? I'm not sure what you are suppose to do from this

20.16/64.17=.31  and 44.01/64.17=0.686
.......20.16 is molar mass of H2O and 44.01 is molar mass of CO2 64.17 is there sum.
.31 *1.85=.5735 gram h20 and .686*1.85=1.2691 gram co2

if this is correct... how would the amounts change if there were different coefficients.
say 2h2o and 1 co2
instead would you just multiply the molar mass of h20 by 2 in this case and do the same process as above to get the percentage.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2010, 04:04:08 PM by narutodemonkill »

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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 05:40:11 AM »
and so 7.78-5.93= 1.85 grams of gas that is released. Because H2O and CO2 are in a 1:1 ratio 0.925 g is lost my each gas.

Not agreed. If you had 1 mole of water, what mass would that be? And 1 mole of carbon dioxide? Is the mass ratio 1:1 in this case?



it would be molar mass so 20.16 gram H20 and 44.01 grams CO2
Coefficient would not change outcome?

1 : 2.18  ratio? I'm not sure what you are suppose to do from this

20.16/64.17=.31  and 44.01/64.17=0.686
.......20.16 is molar mass of H2O and 44.01 is molar mass of CO2 64.17 is there sum.
.31 *1.85=.5735 gram h20 and .686*1.85=1.2691 gram co2

if this is correct... how would the amounts change if there were different coefficients.
say 2h2o and 1 co2
instead would you just multiply the molar mass of h20 by 2 in this case and do the same process as above to get the percentage.


Check the molecular mass of water, but yes, if the stoichiometry showed that there were 2 moles of water and 1 of carbon dioxide given off, then in x g of missing mass, there would be y mol of water, and z g of CO2, where y and z are in the ratio 2:1

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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 07:03:55 AM »
there would be y mol of water, and z g of CO2, where y and z are in the ratio 2:1

I am sure you meant something else, not ratio of moles/mass.
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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 07:15:42 AM »
Oops, yes, sorry :-[

for z g read z mol

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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 07:57:06 AM »
2NaHCO3(s)--> Na2CO3(s) + H20(g) + CO2(g)
the mole ratio of CO2 and H2O is 1:1 but not 0.925g each

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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 09:44:19 AM »
2NaHCO3(s)--> Na2CO3(s) + H20(g) + CO2(g)
the mole ratio of CO2 and H2O is 1:1 but not 0.925g each


yes it is 1:1 mol ratio not Mass, yet I still do not know how to answer question.

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Re: Stoichiometry question involving mass etc... urgent prep for test.
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 03:38:01 AM »
Don't you know how to convert molar ratio to mass ratio?
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