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Naming Compounds
« on: February 10, 2010, 05:15:32 AM »
Hi,

I have named two compounds as Butanal and Propanoic Acid.

However on Butanal there is a Oxygen double bond on Carbon 1. Should i rename it Butan-1-al?

Same goes for Propanoic Acid, on Carbon 1 there is an O double bond. Should it be Propan-1-oic acid?


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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 05:49:00 AM »
Hi Threepwood ;)

Is this your compound?
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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 06:30:21 AM »
I have named two compounds as Butanal and Propanoic Acid.

However on Butanal there is a Oxygen double bond on Carbon 1. Should i rename it Butan-1-al?

Same goes for Propanoic Acid, on Carbon 1 there is an O double bond. Should it be Propan-1-oic acid?
You don't have to. Can you think of a possible structure for butan-2-al or propan-2-oic acid?

Maybe for clarity's sake, you might want to rename them. But it's not wrong to use either of the names.
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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 06:51:43 AM »
Hi Threepwood ;)

Is this your compound?

Thats the one, I just have to supply the systematic name for it which is Butanal. Just do not want to get marked down for either not putting the number in or leaving it out. I have put the number in just so i understand the numbering of carbon chains.

My propanoic acid is: 2-Methylpropan-1-oic acid. 1 has the Oxygen double bond and 2 is the Methyl group.

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 08:38:04 AM »
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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 12:12:49 PM »
Pleased to hear you have heard of Legendary Pirate Guybrush Threepwood :-)

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 12:29:07 PM »


This molecule attached, I have it down as 2 ethyl pentanal. However someone said it has a 6 carbon chain so its hexanal. Do i start from the Carbon Oxygen Double Bond? Or from the lower chain and follow it up and to the left so it is then a 6 chain carbon.

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 02:48:21 PM »
The compound you drew was 2-methylpentanal

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 03:34:02 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

How come it is methyl and not ethyl? As the chain i have comes up as C2H5. I get 2-ethyl pentan-1-al (pentanal)


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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 06:44:16 PM »
It is ethyl. I, too, had to double-check as the structure as you draw it can be a bit confusing.

And, just for the sake of it, 2-methylpropanoic acid is not the same as propanoic acid. Adding numbers to names that don't need them should be avoided at all times.

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 04:06:48 AM »
Thanks for that.

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 04:09:22 AM »
It is ethyl. I, too, had to double-check as the structure as you draw it can be a bit confusing.

And, just for the sake of it, 2-methylpropanoic acid is not the same as propanoic acid. Adding numbers to names that don't need them should be avoided at all times.

What is the reasoning behind it not being Hexanal? Do you always start from where that C=O double bond begins when you get a molecule like that?

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 02:01:03 PM »
Priority rules can be rather daunting to apply correctly, but in simple molecules with only a few functional groups at most it shouldn't be too difficult. In this case, the aldehyde is the highest ranking group, so that's where you start counting. Next step is identifying the longest chain of carbon atoms (here, 5 atoms, including the aldehyde). The ethyl function is then another substituent. It's also the reason as to why this is not hexanal: there is no uninterrupted chain of 6 carbon atoms.

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 11:37:21 PM »
You must always count the longest chain that includes the highest priority functional group (in this case the aldehyde).

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Re: Naming Compounds
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2010, 11:35:26 AM »
Thanks for clearing that up.

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