April 27, 2024, 07:21:11 PM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: Electronegativity differences and hydrogen bonding  (Read 7572 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline cliverlong

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 611
  • Mole Snacks: +60/-14
Electronegativity differences and hydrogen bonding
« on: May 21, 2010, 10:13:37 AM »

Why are only H-F, H-O and H-N bonds said to exhibit hydrogen bonding?
Why is H-CL bond said only to be “polar”?

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronegativity

Get following electronegativity values

H: 2.20
N: 3.04
O: 3.44
F: 3.98
Cl: 3.16

H-F has largest electroneg difference therefore seems OK to say molecule with this bond will exhibit hydrogen bonding.

However, H-CL gives 3.16 – 2.20 = 0.96
whereas H-N give 3.04-2.20 = 0.84 (a smaller difference)

So why is H-N bond said to exhibit hydrogen bonding whereas the larger difference on the H-Cl bond does not exhibit hydrogen bonding between molecules?

Clive

Offline Schrödinger

  • Chemist
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1162
  • Mole Snacks: +138/-98
  • Gender: Male
Re: Electronegativity differences and hydrogen bonding
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 02:39:30 PM »
Clearly, electronegativity is not the only factor. The only other thing I can think of is size. Chlorine is bigger than N and that probably would make the H-Cl---H-Cl bond weaker compared to N---H bond. 

H---X represents Hydogen bond
"Destiny is not a matter of chance; but a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for; it is a thing to be achieved."
- William Jennings Bryan

Offline cliverlong

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 611
  • Mole Snacks: +60/-14
Re: Electronegativity differences and hydrogen bonding
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 05:42:10 AM »
Clearly, electronegativity is not the only factor. The only other thing I can think of is size.
OK, seems a plausible suggestion
Quote
Chlorine is bigger than N and that probably would make the H-Cl---H-Cl bond weaker compared to N---H bond (H---X represents Hydogen bond). 

You are probably correct, but I don't see why size causes such a dramatic difference in the inter-molecular force when you compare Cl-H---Cl--H to ...N-H---N-.

Thanks
Clive

Offline savy2020

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 150
  • Mole Snacks: +7/-9
  • Gender: Male
Re: Electronegativity differences and hydrogen bonding
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 08:40:39 PM »
What's a hydrogen bond? - It is just a electrostatic force between hetero-atom and hydrogen. It is just a kind of vanderwaal's force,. A dipole-dipole interaction, but what puts it apart is it's high bond energy compared to other intermolecular forces.
Both N-H bond and Cl-H bond are almost equally polar because the electro-negativity difference is almost the same, So it wont be a factor in explaining the weak intermolecular force.
How size affects.. Due to polar nature of the bond, partial charges δ+ on H and δ- on Cl/N develop. As Cl size is more, the charge density is less, the electrostatic force depends on charge density and not exclusively on charge. So that's why even though the two bonds are equally polar, the intermolecular forces are high in case of N-H than Cl-H.

:-) SKS

Sponsored Links