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Offline Neverquit

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Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« on: January 26, 2011, 01:36:17 PM »
Hi,
I have seen all sorts of answers to this from gibbs energy to equilibrium constant to analogies.

I'm pretty sure its got to do with the energy, enthalpy and collision theory but I can't get a clear cut definition of it. Can anyone help?

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2011, 03:33:01 PM »
What do you understand to be the relationship between the equilibrium constant of a reaction and its ease or difficulty to reverse?

Under what conditions is the equilibrium constant of a reaction not a constant?

Can you articulate what it is about Gibbs Free Energy that you understand and where you get stuck?

What do you understand about the overall entropy change of a system compared to the entropy of the environment that affects the position of equilibrium of a chemical reaction?

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 12:32:38 AM »
What do you understand to be the relationship between the equilibrium constant of a reaction and its ease or difficulty to reverse?
 
Something to do with temperature and  proportionality of concentrations of ions? If you change the concentration of one it must change the concentration of another to be constant?

Under what conditions is the equilibrium constant of a reaction not a constant?

Something to do with temperature?
When equilibrium is not reached?

Can you articulate what it is about Gibbs Free Energy that you understand and where you get stuck?

I’m not fully versed in Gibbs.

What do you understand about the overall entropy change of a system compared to the entropy of the environment that affects the position of equilibrium of a chemical reaction?

Entropy relates to the flow of energy. Eg. Heat will flow in the direction towards the colder area. Or the direction of a reaction ie forward or reverse?


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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2011, 11:35:57 AM »
Hi,

nobody can help me?

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 12:46:04 PM »
let's reason differently:

let's assume a reaction at equilibrium.
A+B <--> C

is it hard to reverse this? In other words, is it hard to make the reaction go backwards?
Well, the position of the equilibrium depends (amongst other things) on the amount of reactants available (for example, if C is a gas that evolves, the reaction will be indeed hard to reverse as one of the reactants, C, effectively gets removed from the solution/reactor)
But what if we forcibly supply more and more C, then the reaction will go backwards!

Read up on Le Chatelier's principle for equilibrium changes.


And yes, the equilibrium constant is related to the change in gibbs free energy (dG = -RT ln Keq), which is itself dependent on changes in enthalpy and entropy.

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 08:19:15 AM »
To put it simply...

Thermodynamics.  If the products are very stable there is no motivation to them to reform reactants.  Look at explosives for instance, they produce CO2 N2, H2O etc...  when was the last time you saw anyone take these three things, mix them together and get TNT to come out?


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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 09:31:23 PM »
why are reactions taking place?
Universe favors more stable products.During a reaction a more stable product is formed and hence reversal in the direction of less stability is not favored by the universe.
Everything happening in this universe is the flow in the direction of less energy and more stability .If the products have more energy than the reactants then reversal of the reaction is favored .

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 11:55:46 PM »
It's harder to walk up a hill than down it.

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2011, 12:23:36 AM »
again because you are more stable at the bottom of the hill with minimum potential energy

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2011, 01:41:24 PM »
why are reactions taking place?
Universe favors more stable products.During a reaction a more stable product is formed and hence reversal in the direction of less stability is not favored by the universe.
Everything happening in this universe is the flow in the direction of less energy and more stability .If the products have more energy than the reactants then reversal of the reaction is favored .

Not true, although admirable. This "less energy" theory is simply wrong.

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2011, 05:59:17 PM »
It's kind of right.

A chemical reaction proceeds in the way which lowers the energy stored in the molecules electric fields. There's some necessary fine tuning but it's pretty much right as far as I know.

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2011, 07:06:27 PM »
It's true that everything proceeds towards stability, but to say that systems naturally go towards states of lower energy is not true. This would contradict the first law of thermodynamics.

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2011, 10:12:02 AM »
its actually because of a combination of all the above discussed factors ;)

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2011, 12:48:45 PM »
All irreversible (spontaneous) reactions happen because of entropy.

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Re: Why are chemical reactions often hard to reverse?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2011, 01:48:05 PM »
I can offer a reaction kinetics view I guess.  Let's take 408's TNT example.  Now it is possible that there is some wacky reaction mechanism that allows for H2O, CO2, and N2 to form TNT.  So why don't we see it happening?  The reason is there is probably a very high activation energy to convert those three compounds into TNT.  We can easily get TNT to make water, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen by lighting a fuse. 

Thermodynamics (free energies and equilibrium constants) can tell us how stable products or reactants are and perhaps which are more "favorable".  Kinetics can tell you how easy it is to make the transformation (how big of a hill do you need to climb). 

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