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Offline JohnYGA

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Acid Dissociation Constant
« on: February 05, 2011, 02:21:27 PM »
I have conducted a lab in which H2C2O4 is titrated with NaOH (0.112 mol dm-3). How would I go about determining the acid dissociation constant Ka for oxalic acid?
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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 02:47:44 PM »
Do you have a titration curve (pH vs volume of NaOH)?

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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 02:59:26 PM »
Do you have a titration curve (pH vs volume of NaOH)?

No, the procedure we were given did not involve measuring pH

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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 03:18:38 PM »
OK, so how did you titrate? That is, how did you know what the end point was?

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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 03:25:16 PM »
The acid was added to the NaOH with phenolphthalein until the solution changed from pink to colorless

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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2011, 04:08:27 PM »
No pH, no curve, no Ka.
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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2011, 04:18:45 PM »
No pH, no curve, no Ka.

That's right. You simply don't have enough information to find a Ka.

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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2011, 04:35:02 PM »
Okay thanks.  So just to be clear, without pH there is no possible way to determine Ka from titration?

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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2011, 04:38:03 PM »
Not precisely. I suppose you can take the end point to be the equivalence point, and then use that to figure out pKa2, but given the wide range of end points for phenolphthalein, this is not precise by any means.

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Re: Acid Dissociation Constant
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2011, 05:21:14 PM »
Not precisely. I suppose you can take the end point to be the equivalence point, and then use that to figure out pKa2, but given the wide range of end points for phenolphthalein, this is not precise by any means.

No, that won't get you far. Phenolphthalein can be used for almost any acid strong enough, titrated with strong base. Strong enough means in practice anything with pKa below 7 or 6.
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