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looking for the mechanism of oxidation of phosphorus compound e.g PR3 using manganese (IV) oxide.
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2011, 10:07:27 AM »
stuck at the beginning. any help will be appreciated.

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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2011, 11:27:46 AM »
stuck at the beginning. any help will be appreciated.

Attack pf the P atom at the Mn center, pushing the electrons to an oxygen atom, making it negative and the P positive. The negative oxygen attacks the P+ breaking the P-Mn bond. The lone pair of the second oxygen moves into the Mn atom to give a Mn-O triple bond with further movement of electrons toward the P atone generating a P=O bond.
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2011, 12:41:55 PM »
thanks.
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2011, 02:05:30 PM »
thanks.
i have tried translate the wordings into picture. kindly confirm.

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Well translated, one thing it should be a Mn triple bond to oxygen in the final Mn product.
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2011, 02:39:22 PM »
the triple bond did not understand.

appended it. that was great help, thanks a lot.

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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2011, 11:46:03 PM »
One thing I think I should point out: often times with TM oxidants, the reaction may go through a radical rather than polar mechanism.

I don't know anything about this oxidation in particular, but I really dislike the 3-membered intermediate, and the triple bonded MnO seems a bit ridiculous.

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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 02:54:30 AM »
One thing I think I should point out: often times with TM oxidants, the reaction may go through a radical rather than polar mechanism.

I don't know anything about this oxidation in particular, but I really dislike the 3-membered intermediate, and the triple bonded MnO seems a bit ridiculous.

Instead of criticizing suggest something else!
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2011, 04:11:36 AM »
thanks.
i have tried translate the wordings into picture. kindly confirm.

hint to upload picture: click additional options and attach picture.

Well translated, one thing it should be a Mn triple bond to oxygen in the final Mn product.
Triple bond in MnO is an evident error
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2011, 05:46:25 AM »
MnO is ionic?
the "by-product" is?

the three member ring i think is ok

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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2011, 08:06:59 AM »
All polymorphs of MnO2 shows MnO6 octahedra in their crystal structures, so I suggest the mechanism analogous to oxidation of gem-diols by permanganate through four-membered transition state. From stoichiometric point of view MnO or Mn2O3 can be formed depending on amount of MnO2 used.
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 08:32:04 AM »
point noted.
will the reaction of interest involve 1 mol of each reactants?

oxidation of geminal diols involve two OH groups.

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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2011, 09:37:07 AM »
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oxidation of geminal diols involve two OH groups.

and five-membered transition state
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Re: oxidation of phosphorus compound (PR3) using Manganese (IV) oxide
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2011, 05:17:40 PM »
One thing I think I should point out: often times with TM oxidants, the reaction may go through a radical rather than polar mechanism.

I don't know anything about this oxidation in particular, but I really dislike the 3-membered intermediate, and the triple bonded MnO seems a bit ridiculous.

Instead of criticizing suggest something else!

Sorry if my post came across as rude, I did not intend to criticize.

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