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Balancing Redox
« on: June 14, 2011, 11:42:35 AM »
Hi everyone,
I'm studying for my Chemistry exam at the university.
I've got to balance the following redox
ICl3 + HNO3  :rarrow: HIO3 + Cl2 + NOCl
Usually i find which element oxidates and which reducts, and then i balance the 2 semi reactions. A sum term by term leads me to the result. Problem here is that I have 2 elements that oxidates (Iodine and Chlorine), should I make 3 semi reactions?
If i split in 3 semireactions, the ones involving Chlorine and Nitrogen are not that easy...

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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 05:29:12 PM »
No solution.

Do you know algebraic method?

aICl3 + bHNO3 -> cHIO3 + dCl2 + eNOCl

From hydrogen balance b = c.

From oxygen balance 3b = 3c + e.

That means 3c = 3c + e, or e = 0.
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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2011, 01:08:30 AM »
First the given equation is not balanced.
To make it more easy seperat the chlorine  ICl3 => Cl2 + ICl

Now you have to deal only with Iodine and the Nitrogen in nitric acid. Only two half reactions are necessary.

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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2011, 01:59:40 AM »
First the given equation is not balanced.
To make it more easy seperat the chlorine  ICl3 => Cl2 + ICl

Now you have to deal only with Iodine and the Nitrogen in nitric acid. Only two half reactions are necessary.
Wrong assumption - see Borek prove.
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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2011, 02:34:02 AM »
What do you mean

It is easier to solve the equation to use ICl + HNO3 => HIO3 + NOCl

Of course the equation is not balanced, on the right side one O to much.

Ready solutions here not allowed I learned.

Half reaction is ICl => HIO3

and HNO3 => NOCl

Maybe more easier I+ => HIO3

HNO3 => NO+ even wie dont have ions I+ + NO+
« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 03:03:33 AM by Hunter2 »

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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2011, 05:07:42 AM »
Ready solutions here not allowed I learned.

Feel free to post solution if you find it, you have my permission to do so.

Did I tell you there is no solution, so you will be not able to post it?
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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 05:52:59 AM »
ICl3 + 3 H2O => HIO3 + 5 H+ + Cl- + 4 e- + Cl2 Oxidation

HNO3 + 3 H+ + 2 e- => 2 H2O + NO+
Reduction

The rest is mathematics. Second equation times 2 and elimination of electrons water and H+

NO+ + Cl- => NOCl

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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2011, 06:23:49 AM »
No hand waving please, give the final answer.
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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2011, 06:43:40 AM »
ICl3 + 3 H2O => HIO3 + 5 H+ + Cl- + 4 e- + Cl2 Oxidation

HNO3 + 3 H+ + 2 e- => 2 H2O + NO+

Second equation times 2

2 HNO3 + 6 H+ + 4 e- => 4 H2O + 2 NO+

Addition

ICl3 +  2 HNO3 + H+ => HIO3 +  NO+  + NOCl +  Cl2 + H2O

H+ comes from HNO3 and the Nitrate will react with NO+ and form NO2

ICl3 +  3 HNO3  => HIO3 +  2 NO2  + NOCl +  Cl2 + H2O

The given equation wasn't complete.



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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 07:26:31 AM »
You changed equation by addition of  NO2 on the right side (note, eventual addition of water is allowed)
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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 07:44:27 AM »
That is corrext.

I change it in this way, eliminate water what gives HNO2

ICl3 +  2 HNO3  => HIO3 +  HNO2  + NOCl +  Cl2 

But anyway nobody knows what species in this kind of mixture are existing. NO, NO2 HNO2 NOCl , HCl etc.

The given equation isn't complete.


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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 09:49:48 AM »
Solved. My teacher doesn't give full equations, we have to know that in water H+ and Cl- form HCl to balance the equation.
I wrote the 2 oxidations and the reduction, summed the first 2 to form ICl3 and then summed the reduction. Final equations results in
2ICl3 + 5HNO3 + 5HCl :rarrow: 2HIO3 + 3Cl2 + 2NOCl + 4H2O

I think the result of Hunter2 is correct too

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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 10:19:12 AM »
The given equation isn't complete.

That's what I was aiming at from the very beginning - equation as given can't be balanced.

we have to know that in water H+ and Cl- form HCl to balance the equation.

In water you can use H+, OH- and H2O, as they are there. But assuming presence of Cl- is completely unsupported. Why Cl- and not Au3+?
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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 10:30:03 AM »
Why gold, there is no gold in the equation. Chlorid by decomposition of the ICl3. Even NOCl will decompose in water.

But the result from Arpayon also shows that HCl was missing in the first equation.

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Re: Balancing Redox
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 11:44:57 AM »
I could leave H+ and Cl- ions, I just put them together because I had the same number of them (5) after the balancing.

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