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eliminating ethanol amine from the reaction mixture???
« on: July 02, 2011, 11:30:48 AM »
i made a reaction between ethanol amine and carboxylic acid. i used 4 mole of ethanol amine and 1 mole of carboxylic acid. My aim was to obtain an ethanol amide, but now the reaction mixture contains at least 3 mole of ethanol amine.
i want to eliminate the ethanol amine with HCI, but it can react with both hydroxyl group of the produced amide and amino group of the ethanol amine.
how can i separate them? i want to collect the amide from the reaction mixture.

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Re: eliminating ethanol amine from the reaction mixture???
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2011, 01:59:11 PM »
Extract it and stop worrying. The amine (pKa ~ 9) is much more basic than the hydroxyl (pKa ~ 0).
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Re: eliminating ethanol amine from the reaction mixture???
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2011, 03:05:32 PM »
how can i extract it from the reaction mixture?
can you give me a way?

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Re: eliminating ethanol amine from the reaction mixture???
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2011, 06:53:27 PM »
how can i extract it from the reaction mixture?
can you give me a way?

When you add HCl you will make the HCl salt of the amine which will then dissolve in water, then extract out the product (neutral) with solvent as usual.
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Re: eliminating ethanol amine from the reaction mixture???
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 12:53:48 PM »
1) I took the half of the reaction mixture and washed it with HCI, and then
with water.
2) I put the other half of the reaction mixture to evaporator to evaporate
the ethanol amine.
when i looked the FTIR peaks of them, first product was an extra peak at 1712
did i achieved or what did i do? what should i do?

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Re: eliminating ethanol amine from the reaction mixture???
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 02:22:10 PM »
1) I took the half of the reaction mixture and washed it with HCI, and then
with water.
2) I put the other half of the reaction mixture to evaporator to evaporate
the ethanol amine.
when i looked the FTIR peaks of them, first product was an extra peak at 1712
did i achieved or what did i do? what should i do?

Why not run an IR of both starting materials, separately and do the comparison?
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